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Pujols was a classy player all those years on the Cardinals, so I could never bring myself to dislike him. I find myself pulling for him now that he's in the American League. I hope he breaks out soon.

Andre Dawson owns. That is all.

It's like the bats go completely to sleep when he's on the mound. I understand our offense sucks this year, but it sucks even harder with Demp on the mound, if such a thing is possible.

Demp has a 1.02 ERA through 5 starts this season, and has been better so far than I think anyone ever expected. He's a FA after the year and seems to like it here. So, do you see if he'll sign a 2 or 3 year deal for a "hometown discount", or do you flip him in July for prospects?

Personally I say ride him out till the 4th of July, then sell him to the highest bidder assuming he keeps hitting. There's always a market for a power-hitting 1B at the deadline. Hell, he could even go to the AL and DH.

I'd much rather wait until the offseason and go for Upton rather than give up prospects for Snider. Doesn't BJ kind of suck?

Also this has been a good season thus far in terms of individual accomplishments. A perfect game, a no-hitter, a 4-hr game... this is why baseball is awesome.

Until tonight he's never had more than 2 HR in a game. Strange. But he's a great hitter and it doesn't shock me all that much. Good for him.

I was just trying to flush out your stance. You gave yours, I gave mine, and as far as I'm concerned it's done. You got the same response you've been getting, except I indulged your injury what it nonsense. :) You're fun. I like you.

I was just trying to flush out your stance. You gave yours, I gave mine, and as far as I'm concerned it's done.

I was just asking you to clarify your position. Testy, testy. So I can safely say that you feel that "throwing at a guy is ok, so long as he doesn't get hurt?" And "baseball field= ok, anywhere else= not ok?" And to say that's not REMOTELY what happened is a little off, seeing as the only variable is that the ball went where Hamels intended it to. My point is that pitches get away from pitchers sometimes. It happens to every pitcher, and it could have happened to Hamels there, but thankfully it didn't. And I'm not in any sort of "mob." Hamels was out of line and acted dangerously, regardless of the result. A five-game suspension is fair. The opposing pitcher should be suspended for five games as well, and nothing more severe for either.

In a way that's kind of my point.

Ok, so then answer me this. I've posed these questions indirectly in a few different forms in this thread, but now I'm going to ask them directly and would like a clear response from you. Question the first: Cole Hamels, professional pitcher with pinpoint control, intentionally hits Bryce Harper in the small of the back for some made-up reason. No damage is done, and you say it's ok. However, lets say Cole Hamels, same professional pitcher with pinpoint control, has a beef with you on the street and hits you with exactly the same pitch in the same location on your body, and there is no damage to you. Is that ok? I'm not talking if "I" did it, or if "you" did it, I'm talking Hamels specifically in these two situations, with the only difference being in a major league game. Question 2) Hamels throws at Harper for being a snot-nosed little punk who's good at baseball (the NERVE!!) and aims for a "non-bad" area like his thigh or lower back, but instead he misses his target and hits Harper in the wrist, breaking it and landing Harper on the DL. Is it still ok? Yes or no?

I have Lefty's Legacy somewhere....Bonus babies constantly caught [expletive] and it's mentioned in the book. Even if I didnt remember that tidbit I would neeeeeveeeer care to prove such a minute event...This is SUCH a non event to me beyond people making it way more than it is. But no do go on...this is a MAJOR issue that the sport needs to really investigate. Where's the concern for Hamels, who was blatantly beaned an inning later? He didnt back down over that, and that was most definitely not an accident. Note a few pages up where I said the opposing pitcher should also be suspended for plunking Hamels. Ugh while that's fair, it's still a little queer. When did this whole "let's get outraged over nothing" thing start? They solved it themselves on the field, which despite its meatheadedness and all of official law led to NO injuries. Why do you people care so much over this? Again, it was the very realistic POTENTIAL for injury. Just because "nobody got hurt" doesn't mean that it was ok.

Yep, same thing. Black pitcher Bob Gibson would NEVER thing of knocking down a hitter! Think of what might happen! I know Gibson was a badass, but I never saw him pitch. If he was a headhunter, then he was an idiot, too.

I have Lefty's Legacy somewhere....Bonus babies constantly caught [expletive] and it's mentioned in the book. Even if I didnt remember that tidbit I would neeeeeveeeer care to prove such a minute event...This is SUCH a non event to me beyond people making it way more than it is. But no do go on...this is a MAJOR issue that the sport needs to really investigate. Where's the concern for Hamels, who was blatantly beaned an inning later? He didnt back down over that, and that was most definitely not an accident. Note a few posts up where I said the opposing pitcher should also be suspended for plunking Hamels.

Man, I miss the old days where young hotshot punks were intentionally hit with baseballs and certain folk weren't allowed to play the game because of their ethnicity. *sigh* Those were the golden days, surely.

Hey guess what...Hamels doesn't and didn't have that problem. He hit him precisely where he should have and wanted to, just like Zimmerman would and did later. So your examples are an unintentional beaning and pegging a stranger with a rock....Christ let it go you're not even making a point. Didn't have that problem ON THAT PITCH, yes. But your prior post insinuated that Hamels, being a professional pitcher, could hit his target every single time ever. And my counter to that was no, that's ridiculous bullcrap. One thing that should tell you the validity of my argument: You probably don't know this because you haven't been here that long, but If I so much as even make a typo half the board usually jumps on it. If I was so far out there, this thread would be about 10 consecutive pages of people calling me an idiot. There are plenty of threads like that from the past. Nobody's doing that except for you, and that should tell you something. Also for the record, Zimmerman should be suspended as well for retaliation. Two wrongs not making a right and all that.

1) A professional pitcher is capable of throwing a pitcher where he wants to. He DIDN'T throw at Harper's head just like Zimmerman threw at his leg....Guess why? Also how stupid is that "what if" in the first place. You equate yourself or some random pegging someone with a rock that might go astray with a person who throws a ball with precision for a living. Not to mention that while a baseball has mass most rocks will weight more and generally...[expletive] this is so stupid. For the love of the planet earth take that kind of boring nonsense outrage over nothing and use it on one of the many genocides going on right now....Or maybe try to polish up some of the ideas they couldnt present with Occupy. 1) Even professional pitchers miss their targets. If they didn't, would there ever be anyone who got sent down to AAA because of control issues? 2) You didn't have a 2 so neither do I. Sammy Sosa got beaned in the head on Easter Sunday 2004 in Pittsburgh and was never really the same after that, and that was unintentional-- the ball just got away from Solomon Torres. Torres was not (and should not have been) punished as it was accidental. Accidental is one thing. The very vast majority of HBP's in baseball are unintentional. But, intent or not, guys have gone on the DL because of errant pitches that hit them in the face/head/wrist/hand/ankle/knee/etc. Hamels is a pro pitcher, but are you telling me he has control to the point where he never misses his intended target ever? Accidental HBP's are one thing and happen from time to time. However, when there is intent (i.e, the pitcher ADMITS to doing it) there needs to be some sort of punishment.

So: Intentionally throwing a rock-hard object at a high rate of speed at someone on the street = not ok, but doing it on a baseball field = hunky dory. Got it. And no, just because Cole Hamels got away with it during a game doesn't mean its ok to do in society. What if he had hit Harper in the head? Or hit him on the wrist/hand and put him on the DL regardless of whether he actually meant to hit him there? Would it have been ok then?

Ugh and the phony morality wins out yet again. Are sponsors pulling out as well? It's a minor punishment but it still embellishes soxiety's general bratty attitude. Nothing fails to just not offend. Are you serious? If I'd intentionally throw a rock-hard baseball at someone on the street, even though I only meant to aim for their thigh, and even if I did no real damage, I'd be arrested. It's ok with you just because it happened on a baseball field? Yeah that's like totally the same [expletive] thing. I now get why Hamels is a meany poo head who just commited a so grosy act upon an innocent unknown teenage boy. Those boys play so rough! Why can't they be nice? Why don't people just play nice? I'm outraged, hear me roar! MeeeeoooooW! Ok, so then enlighten me. How is what happened with Hamels and Harper any different from the scenario I described, other than it took place on a baseball field during a game? There is absolutely NO difference whatsoever other than that. Not even a little bit.

Are they just going to ignore the fact that Scott Maine's been really good this season? Braddock would be a decent buy low candidate, but Mike Gonzalez is just another 30 year old on the tail end of his career. We need some more old school veteran pitchers on the team to throw at Harper when we go play in Washington, because that's what your supposed to do to these youngins'..... That's old school, baby!

Ugh and the phony morality wins out yet again. Are sponsors pulling out as well? It's a minor punishment but it still embellishes soxiety's general bratty attitude. Nothing fails to just not offend. Are you serious? If I'd intentionally throw a rock-hard baseball at someone on the street, even though I only meant to aim for their thigh, and even if I did no real damage, I'd be arrested. It's ok with you just because it happened on a baseball field?

Guillermo Mota suspended 100 games for 2nd violation of MLB's PED policy.

And MLB has now suspended Hamels 5 games, meaning he'll miss his next start. OLD TIME!!! Just announced a few minutes ago. Link forthcoming. Link! http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/phillies-lhp-cole-hamels-suspended-5-games-for-throwing-at-nats-rookie-bryce-harper/2012/05/07/gIQACKZl8T_story.html