Really? I'm probably the most hopeless Bear fan on the planet. But what exactly did we win last year? I'm certainly not satisfied with a division championship and a quick, unceremonious exit from the playoffs. look at the context of my statement and put 2 and 2 together. I for one didn't think the Bears would make the playoffs until after beating Tampa on the road, despite beating Carolina the week before. I think alot of Bears fans would have agreed. and I am having a difficult time reconciling your statements. are you a hopeless Bears fan or are you an unsatisfied Bears fan? if you thought the Bears were hopeless, shouldn't you at least be somewhat satisfied with winning the division? or is it just a case of wanting to bitch no matter what happens? for clarification, the difference is Bears fans didn't think their 'make no mistake' quarterback play was going to get them to the playoffs until late in the season. thus, most Bears fans were wrong as the Bears did in fact get into the post season, with the second best record in the NFC. the fact that you consider the division championship irrelevant or apparently 'not getting it done' has nothing to do with my point, and your interjection inexplicable. I think you're having trouble reconciling my statements because you're having trouble picking up the correct meaning of them. Hopeless Bear fan = HUGE Bear fan. Any Bear fan for life, like myself, should not be satisfied with winning a division and then getting raped in the playoffs. I did misinterpret what you meant by hopeless. I am a Bear fan for life, and the Bears far exceded my expectations last year, and I was therefore satisfied. the playoff loss was tough to take, but that doesn't mean the fans shouldn't be at least somewhat satisfied with the way the season turned out, especially considering how bad everyone said they would be before the season started. I'm sure if I told you in late August last year that I had a crystal ball and the Bears would win the division with the second best record in the NFC, you would have been satisfied. if I used the same crystal ball on Dec. 1, it's total crap, not good enough. such is the fickleness of sports fans.