Perfect example of my previous post, thanks. "Baseball" men who know "the game" likely wrote that. Let's look at some objective data shall we? Of qualified CFer in the NL: Convential Stats: He ranked next to last in fielding % (just ahead of Patterson) He ranked second to first in errors (Just behind Patterson) He was tied for 3rd in assists (7) but really in the middle of the pack (Jones lead the league with 11) He ranked 3rd in put outs (but he did play a lot of innings too) Non-convential stats: He ranked dead last in range factor (put outs + assists)/innings (this time all the innings might have hurt him) He ranked in the middle of the pack in zone rating (Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc.) Now none of these stats are all that good becuase they are reliant on other aspects, but overall, I would say my opinon is congruent with more objective data. He is neither bad nor good as a defensive player. He is mediocre. Who to beleive; objective data, opinon of some guy on a message board, or a scouting report from a "basball" man who knows "the game"? ------------- Not that I need to but I can tell you I lived in Doral Fl (just a short 10 min drive up the turnpike to ProPlayer) for two and a half years (01-04). In that time I probably went to 20 games and maybe watched another 60 on the tube. So I saw him play more often then most here.