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Quit bringing the team down, rookie.

The entire Cubs offense has disapeared in May. Why single out Murton and Cedeno? Oh I know why, you're our freindly neighborhood troll.

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Even that claim is sketchy, because Weaverball requires excellent fundamentals. And walks, which is something the Cubs didn't do too well even in the Sammy years.

Agreed. I've even invented a phrase for it - "neck-down baseball". I could be wrong, but I don't think that is what goony means. I don't think the players on the Cubs are any more dumb then the average baseball player. Hendry drafts and covets players who look good in a uniform and have physical talent, while shortchanging or neglecting to look at other, more important things like the ability to get on base or the ability to throw strikes.

Welcome aboard! There are a few others on the board who are in total agreement with you. Apparently Scherzer would be a lock to go Top 5 if he managed to stay healthy this season. BA's comments on Rowell in their draft tracker: In the Best Tools section, in the HS ranks, he gets #3 for best pure hitter, #2 for best power hitter, and #2 for best strike zone judgment. He doesn't sound like a Cub in the making. :( After seeing IMB's video I am really hoping the Cubs draft Rowell. In the interest of full disclosure I must say I know absolutely nothing about any of the prospects except for what I read from you people.

My frustration with this organization is at an all time high. Not only do they have deep systemic problems with long term ramifications, but either they know about these problems and refuse to do anything or the don't have a clue I don't know which is worse. I suppose they're equally bad. It really gets me down.

Welcome to the Forum.

It's like a freaking nightmare that I cannot wake up from. Somebody end our pain, please. PLEASE!

500 in the last 6 games is a net improvement of 0 from all the previousl games. Basically the Cub have been spining their wheels for a week getting nowhere fast. Before the last 6 games the Cubs winning % was 419 after the last 6 gamws the Cubs winning % is 419.

Check Derkier's record and the number of division titles before you call him a joke. Here is a link to make it easy for you. http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/dierkla01.shtml And Riggleman took a very bad Cub team and managed to get them to the playoffs. He was dealt a far worse hand then Dusty by his GM and performed much better.

I don't think you know that. Be that as it may, if it were true then the Cubs shouldn't have signed him. I don't think anyone but Hendry would have given him that contract. Frankly, I'd rather just Keep Burnitz around for one year. You don't think St. Louis for one would take Jacque Jones over Encarnacion? Please. If we would have offered 1 year for $3-4 million he would have laughed at that offer and other teams would have grossly outbid that. Then they can have him. But wasn't Juan signed before jacque?

Larry Deriker Davy Johnson Bobby Valentine Jim Riggleman But really we don't have to have the answers, we're fans. Hendry, MacPhail, and Dusty have to have the answers, that their job.

I don't think you know that. Be that as it may, if it were true then the Cubs shouldn't have signed him. I don't think anyone but Hendry would have given him that contract. Frankly, I'd rather just Keep Burnitz around for one year.

So far, the only guy that has stepped up and said he is not getting the job done is Juan Pierre. You gotta give him credit for at least not making any excuses. I don't think there is a person who posts here that was more against getting Pierre then me. I hate that he is performing below career norms, but I have to admit I kind of like the Slapmister. He really hasn't made any excuses at all and has said all the correct things. He's grown on me (no pun intended). I wish he were a better player though.

You gotta work with the information you have man. Quotes and the product in front of us is what we've got. Do you see any evidence that contradicts the "no accountability" theory? Anything? Maybe there is things going on behind closed doors. But we can't base opinions on maybes. Don't you think we've had enough "maybes" as Cubs fans? In your opinion, what would constitute no accountability? Should they bench Jacque Jones for a week next time he makes a base-running error? Should the Cubs have benched bench Pierre, Ramirez and Zambrano for slow starts? The Baker situation will take care of itself. If they manage to rebound this year and make a run, he'll be back. If not, he won't. That simple. To me, that's accountability. Firing Baker tomorrow does absolutely nothing. If you make a change, do it for the right reasons, not just for the sake of making a change. The right reasons? How about a terrible start to 2006, a fade in 2004, and less then medicore finsh in 2005? And that is just for starters. I really don't understand your position at all. Just read the daily press clippings.

Since 2003 the Cubs have had Multiple mental errors per week (baserunning mistakes, throwing to the wrong base, not knowing how many outs, etc., etc.) Multiple clubhouse issues (has nothing to do with winning) including sending tapes to the media, breaking a radio, calling the TV booth, cornering the broadcasters in an elevator, and berating a beat writer to name a few. They've lost more then they've won and each year has gotten worse. It is now twenty-o-six. It's time to pay the fiddler, somebody needs to go, but instead we will hear about injuries, bad breaks, and atem balls. This team is poorly constructed and very poorly managed, yet all we get are excuses. Derwood, who constructed this team? Hendry. Who puts the players on the field? Dusty. I have no problem if they want to DFA some of the more lousy players, or trade off under-producing vets, or trade young up and comers if it will make this team better. But above all they need regime change. The Cubs are bordering on a humanitarian disaster. I expect Kofi Annon to propose relief efforts. I want Bush and Rice to proclaim the need for regime change based on the absecence of weapons of mass destruction.

No they need an old man to bench their assess when the get doubled off of second two times in three weeks.

Zero relevance. He claimed to have some information about what it's like in the bigs. I asked him how he knew. How can anyone know what the unwritten rules of playing in the bigs other than someone who has been there? After all, the rule goes unrecorded so it is only passed down through custom and word of mouth. I'd apprecaite any inside gossip. Unbelievable. So we can't assume or infer based on anything we know or have observed in our own lives...because we haven't played in the bigs? How many times to do I have to explicitly explain what I think happened and why I think it happened? What do I have to possibly gain by making it up out of the clear blue? I've never encountered a business or organization or clique or social group period that appreciates it when a new guy that is terrible at his job/always screwes up/etc. goes out of their way to attack or call out someone in that same social group who is already established and generally does very well when that person really didn't do anything wrong except kinda be a jerk. It's just one of those things...why is MLB going to be exclusive from those kinds of mentalities? If anything, it's going to be 10 times worse there because of how competitive it is. Oh, so you don't know. Do you think Ozzy wouldn't have said anything had Lee said what Hill did? Neither do I. The fact that Hill was a rookie has little bearing on what Ozzy said. Hill was the friggen pitcher of record and he had a bad game and was upset. People say and do dumb things all of the time in the heat of competition. The fact that Hill was a rookie who hasn't been pitching well may have chaged what Ozzy said, but he would have said something. The guy can't keep his cake hole shut.

Zero relevance. He claimed to have some information about what it's like in the bigs. I asked him how he knew. How can anyone know what the unwritten rules of playing in the bigs other than someone who has been there? After all, the rule goes unrecorded so it is only passed down through custom and word of mouth. I'd apprecaite any inside gossip.

Yes, I am pretty sure you are just making this up.

In the above you pretty much say that Hill has no right to say anyting. And I'm still wiating to hear about your stint in the bigs.

Nobody said that. In fact, several people went out of their way numerous times to be clear they WEREN'T saying that. Nobody said anything of the sort. You've totally distorted the entire point people like myself were arguing. It's not that cut and dry, and nobody's even come close to saying it like that. You're trying to boil this down to a simple right & wrong, black & white issue, and it's not. In the most basic terms possible, if you're going to start some crap (which Hill did since nobody else on the team was slining anything), in the world of the MLB, you need to have to be able to back that talk up with some skills on the field. It's childish, it's asinine, it's ridiculous...AND IT'S JUST HOW IT IS. That's that world. That's how the unofficial hierarchy works. You have to prove yourself before you can take shots in the press. In the context of the insane world of MLB, Hill was in the wrong. I couldn't possibly agree more. What do you know about the world of MLB except for what you see on TV or from the stands?

Those of you defending Hill for his comments can give it a rest now. He knows he screwed up, and that only hastened his departure to AAA. Give it a rest? You are entirely missing the point. Who cares if what he said was right or wrong? Of course they were wrong. What people were complaining about is that he's a rookie who is not playing well so he has NO RIGHT to say anything. Some went so far as to say there is some unwritten code where rookies can't say anything to anyone about anythng. Unless, that is if they are playing well. It's garbage and makes no sense whatsoever.

Says you. I wasn't aware until now that if one is a rookie they're not allowed to say or do anything to defend a teammate. How long has this "established" practice been going on? Is there some sort of level system? If you are a second year player do you get to do it once? How about if you are rookie but make the all-star team; is it ok then? Please, tell me the rules so I can make an informed judgment.