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Perhaps he didn't want to stick around? I think it's pretty obvious from everything we've heard that he didn't want to stick around. Otherwise, he would have taken the 1-year deal with the team option for a 2nd year. From everything we've heard in the past couple of weeks, it sounded like both sides wanted to move on. Too many of you are letting your emotions get in the way here. Yes, it sucks that Prior won't pitch for the Cubs and that there's a chance he could return to dominance for another team, but this was a business decision. It's difficult to come back from shoulder surgery. The success rate is much lower than that of tommy john surgery. Plus, it usually takes longer to come back from. The Cubs wanted some assurance that Prior would be around after this year since he's probably not going to be ready to pitch until halfway through the season. Prior wouldn't give it to them. The Cubs made the decision to move on. We have to move on as well. if there's anyone letting their emotions get in the way, it's the "screw him, he's a pansy and a traitor, i hope he stays hurt and never pitches again" crowd.

Perhaps he didn't want to stick around? tough. he was under the control of the cubs through 2008, and they could've kept him around if they wanted him to. during that time, help him with his rehab, let him know you consider him a part of the future. He's going to have to give an honest effort at getting healthy and pitching well, because if he doesn't then he's costing himself money on the free agent market. Maybe he gets healthy around mid-season, throws a few games for the cubs, and finds that he really likes playing with this group of guys, and playing for this manager. Maybe he still wants to leave. Maybe he never gets healthy and his career is basically over. I don't know which it is, but the bottom line is that the Cubs had a guy who for much of his life has been a great pitcher, and they should've done everything possible to keep him in a Cub uniform. Especially since he just got surgery that may go a long way toward keeping him healthy.

yes, if someone goes where they'd be most happy, or where they can make the most money, then they're a terrible person.

uh, soto struggle? are you crazy?

i don't hope that prior dominates the cubs, but i hope he dominates everyone else. i still hope he crafts a HoF career, and the cubs are looked at as the team that nearly ruined his arm with overuse, and jim hendry is the guy that let him get away when all he had to do was offer him a few million to stick around. that'll just add another chapter to the sad, embarrassing history of the chicago cubs.

now that, my friend, is a well though-out deal.

i'd probably be bitter if a lousy manager did a horrible job controlling my pitch counts and innings pitched, costing me tens or maybe up to a hundred million dollars in future earnings. then the team that employed that manager insinuated that there was nothing wrong with my arm, sending the message to the team's fans that i'm either faking the injury, or i'm just a pansy who can't handle a little pain. let me be the first to congratulate mark on winning the 2009 or 2010 cy young with whoever he's pitching for.

this is the cubs we're talking about... probably not a safe assumption

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I pretty much agree with every word of this. It's hard to see him go, but who knows if he'll ever pitch again, let alone pitch effectively. nobody knows, which is why you keep him around for a year, so you can find out.

stupid cubs.

he had a high k-rate in the minors, which was concerning, but he balanced that out with a pretty high walk rate as well. then he hit the big leagues and forgot how to draw a walk.

Padres can give Eckstein the 2nd or 3rd biggest contract offer in team history. :wink: if one of the other two california GMs were the GM of the padres, i'd say that this would be very possible.

if mark prior goes on the market, s.d. will not get him for cheap. there's too much potential there for other teams to not get involved and drive up his price at least a little bit.

padres really end up without a SS under this deal. maybe the cubs throw in Theriot/Cedeno (SD picks which one they want) and the Padres ship a mid-level prospect to the Cubs as part of the deal. i'm normally not one to make up multi-team trades, but this one actually makes a lot of sense.

The Pads would have to throw in a young player as well - Bay for Greene isn't an even deal. If it's something like: Bay to San Diego Greene to Cubs Pirates get: Headley or Cedric Hunter from Padres; Marshall, Murton and some mid-level pitching prospect like Petrick, Atkins or Holliman... maybe Veal if that's who they wanted. that's a pretty good framework for deal.

because hendry is a moron who's infatuated with speed and lefthanded-ness

terrible deal, you suck sabean

penn state beat the fearsome princeton tigers (princeton is BAD this year) 61-38. The score at halftime? 26-11. :lol: Princeton has now scored 23 points total in their last two first halves.

who? seriously, is he on the coaching staff? i only know of Hall, Johnson, McQueary and Bradley EDIT: ah, assistant coach/linebackers. huh, you never hear his name around here I hear about him some. He's highly thought-of as a recruiter and a defensive coach. Would Vanderlinden leave PSU to go back to a job he had 10-15 years ago? Not sure. Tom Bradley is HC material, and Larry Johnson and Ron Vanderlinden are both DC material at least. They've shown a lot of loyalty to the program, and one rumor I've heard is that there is some sort of succession idea in mind, where Bradley becomes HC and either Johnson or Vanderlinden move up to DC. That leaves one of them without a promotion, though. Bradley has been here since he played for PSU in the last '70s; I can't see him going anywhere at this point. Larry Johnson has been here 12 years, and seems to comfortable in the area. If any of the three of them is going to leave, I suspect it would be Vanderlinden. remember when we though Jerry Sandusky would succeed Paterno as HC? Paterno seems to outlast his coordinators, who either retire or get sick of waiting and go take another HC job elsewhere yeah, but tom bradley isn't going anywhere. Temple, Illinois and Pitt supposedly were interested in him when they had recent coaching vacancies, and he turned them all down. Most people believe that if Paterno ever steps down, he'll endorse Bradley as his successor, to reward Bradley for his loyalty. If they look to anyone from the outside, it'd probably be either Al Golden or Greg Schiano.

who? seriously, is he on the coaching staff? i only know of Hall, Johnson, McQueary and Bradley EDIT: ah, assistant coach/linebackers. huh, you never hear his name around here I hear about him some. He's highly thought-of as a recruiter and a defensive coach. Would Vanderlinden leave PSU to go back to a job he had 10-15 years ago? Not sure. Tom Bradley is HC material, and Larry Johnson and Ron Vanderlinden are both DC material at least. They've shown a lot of loyalty to the program, and one rumor I've heard is that there is some sort of succession idea in mind, where Bradley becomes HC and either Johnson or Vanderlinden move up to DC. That leaves one of them without a promotion, though. Bradley has been here since he played for PSU in the last '70s; I can't see him going anywhere at this point. Larry Johnson has been here 12 years, and seems to comfortable in the area. If any of the three of them is going to leave, I suspect it would be Vanderlinden.

wait, so the cubs don't feel like marquis is a good value with the 2 years and $16M left on his contract? who could've seen that coming?

no, he's not. i like how people will make blanket statements like this about bad offensive players without considering the fact that they're great defensively and save their teams dozens of runs a year in the field. you don't see anyone saying "ryan braun is awful" because he is atrocious defensively. because we live in an offensive era and people expect offensive production from every position. modern baseball fans are conditioned to think this way. it isn't the 80's anymore. not saying it's right, just explaining why people think he sucks ideally every player in the lineup should provide good offensive production. but if they don't, you can't just say that the player is horrible without considering his other skills. it's things like this that explain why so many people think ozzie smith has no business being in the hall of fame.

no, he's not. i like how people will make blanket statements like this about bad offensive players without considering the fact that they're great defensively and save their teams dozens of runs a year in the field. you don't see anyone saying "ryan braun is awful" because he is atrocious defensively.

i was going to say "because he didn't have that moron ed wade to deal with," but ed wade was with the phillies.