In 1973 Mike Schmidt as the everyday starter hit .196. In 1986 Barry Bonds as the everyday starter hit .223. In 1990 Sammy Sosa as the everyday starter hit .233. So enough judging a player based on his first year as an everyday starter. cedeno at age 23 had a 54 OPS+ schmidt at age 23 had a 93 OPS+ bonds at age 21 had a 103 OPS+ sosa at age 21 had a 92 OPS+ in two cases cedeno was 2 years older than the player, and all of the players you mentioned were doing something well - hitting for power, drawing some walks, or both. cedeno wasn't doing either one. pointing this out for no other reason than to say that the comparisons aren't good ones. you need to find someone who was completely unproductive. Hahahahahaha, all NCCF said was you shouldn't judge a player based on his first year starting. IMB! is right, you're better than this, Truffle. it's a bad comparison. those players were providing some value to their teams, even though they had low batting averages. they were close league-average hitters. cedeno showed no ability to hit major league pitching at age 23; he was one of the five worst players in baseball. plus, two of the players given as examples were two years earlier in their development curve. so, we've shown that adequate major league hitters can become very good major league hitters. great. you're better than this, CaliforniaRaisin.