Where are all these questions coming from? He's made only 7 errors at 2B this year, and Baseball America said "his athleticism makes him a potential plus defender at second base." I don't think that really describes either one of those guys. Murton is 23, which isn't too old for a college guy in AA. Cedeno is 22 and actually fairly young for AAA. This was their first season at WTenn and Iowa, respectively. Your concerns about them are valid, though. I think Murton could put up numbers comparable to those of Mark Kotsay in the big leagues, with a ~.350 OBP and a little bit of pop... the problem, like you noted, is the subpar offensive ability for a corner outfielder. If the Cubs had someone like Jim Edmonds or Carlos Beltran in CF, it'd be easier to take, but the Cubs don't have that. My main worry about Cedeno is his low walk rate... I can't find his stats from this season at Iowa to know if it improved at all this year. The added power was a nice surprise, but I know the batting average down there was somewhat fluky. Part of the reason I'm saying that I don't expect Harvey and Dopirak to reach their ceiling is based the little emphasis that I feel the Cubs organization places on plate discipline. We've all seen prospects fly through the system without learning the importance of selectivity at the plate. The guys that the team goes after in free agency and in the draft also suggests to me that plate discipline is not a big deal to the current regime. The question is, what comes first, the chicken or the egg? Do teams like the A's draft guys who have good patience, or do they drill it into them after they sign? I would guess it's a combination of the two.