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  • What a Marcus Stroman Extension Could Look Like


    Matt Trueblood

    Just when things seemed almost hopeless, Marcus Stroman might have saved the Cubs’ season. Their record is lousy, but Stroman is one argument for persisting in optimism. Let’s talk about what a contract extension might look like for him.

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    Already this season, we’ve seen multiple reports that Marcus Stroman would prefer to sign an extension with the Cubs, rather than either being dealt at the trade deadline or hitting free agency this fall. That probably shouldn’t shock us. For one thing, Stroman is already 32 years old. It makes sense for him to seek long-term security–and the big payday that comes with it–as soon as possible, rather than risk having a downturn in the second half and being less valuable than he might have hoped when the time comes to decide between his $24-million salary for 2024 or free agency. 

    Because he’s been given a qualifying offer in the past, Stroman also doesn’t have anything to gain from being traded. The Cubs can’t make him that offer this fall and limit his free-agent value artificially, even if they retain him all year. Thus, Stroman has no reason to want to go elsewhere, likely moving to a smaller market and losing the fan capital he’s amassed in Chicago already.

    Even with the convenient alignment of his incentives, though, it seems like Stroman feels an authentic connection to the Cubs and to Cubs fans. To watch him pitch throughout the last year, especially during home games, has been a joy. He comes up with big outs, and his outbursts of exuberance and exultation have been welcome reminders of what is missing too much of the time at Wrigley Field lately. Stroman cares deeply about winning. He relishes the passion of the fans when the game is close and the outcome matters. That’s enjoyable and admirable. If the team can keep him around for a reasonable price, they ought to do it.

    What’s a reasonable price, though? That’s the key question. Since July of last year, when Stroman returned from the injury that sidelined him for a month, he’s pitched 164 ⅓ innings. His ERA is 2.57, and while his underlying numbers don’t fully support that figure, it feels a bit more sustainable than those peripherals would predict. He’s back to getting ground balls at a truly elite rate, for the first time since 2018. He’s missing more bats than he did back in 2018, too.

    Finding comparable players for Stroman is vital to estimating what it would cost to extend him, but it’s not easy to do. Most pitchers who are right around his skill level are much less durable than he is. Most who are as durable as he is are either considerably worse, back-end starters, or true aces, a class to which he also still doesn’t seem to belong. Worse, pitchers who do roughly approximate both his ability and his durability still feel like bad fits, because he’s a unique athlete for the position. 

    When the White Sox signed Lance Lynn to a two-year extension in July 2021, Lynn was pitching similarly to Stroman. He was around the same age. He didn’t strike hitters out at an elite rate, but he was still well above average overall. Lynn got $38 million in new guarantees, and the equivalent to that deal now would likely be adding two years and around $40 million to Stroman’s guarantee for 2024, thus making it a three-year extension.

    Hyun-Jin Ryu was even more akin to Stroman, when he hit free agency after his stellar 2019. He got $80 million over four years from the Blue Jays. That seems like a more likely deal to strike, especially given the leverage Stroman has. Even Yu Darvish’s lucrative new extension with the Padres is a relevant guidepost, though Darvish is older, has a different style, and signed under different circumstances than Stroman.

    The problem with either comp is that neither Ryu nor Lynn remotely resembles the lithe, explosive Stroman. He’s a dramatically different athlete than those guys are. That’s the fact that shines through in almost any analysis of this situation one might attempt. It’s important to keep in mind, always, that Stroman is a unique pitcher and person. If he and the Cubs are going to find common ground and extend their relationship beyond 2023 or 2024, it will happen because the Cubs understand that.

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    I'm not sure I want one. Stroman is 32 currently and the front office has done very little to show me that they can fill all the holes on this squad to make them competitive in 2024. If Stroman stays hot he can probably snag a top 100 guy and I'm good with that. 

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    For some reason I had it in my head that Stroman was more like 30 than 32, which in one sense is more scary but also takes away some of the length that could scare off the front office.  If it were 4/100 (thru 2027) I'd have to think long and hard about it given that it's not really new money(it'd increase his LT hit < 2 million), especially if there were signs outside the obvious that Smyly was going to opt out.

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    36 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

    I'm not sure I want one. Stroman is 32 currently and the front office has done very little to show me that they can fill all the holes on this squad to make them competitive in 2024. If Stroman stays hot he can probably snag a top 100 guy and I'm good with that. 

    I like Marcus Stroman but I'm totally fine with moving on from him at this point in his career.

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    Somewhat related, but why isn't Stroman viewed more fondly, from a performance perspective, by fans? Since 2020 he has put up a 3.11 ERA which puts him at #21 in all of baseball amongst pitchers who have thrown at least 200 innings. Despite this, most fan bases view him as a decent mid rotation guy, but in reality he's closer to a low end #1 or high end #2. His ERA is actually lower than guys like Gerrit Cole, Yu Darvish, Dylan Cease, etc. over that span.

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    4/100 sounds great to me. Going into the offseason with a rotation of Steele, Ben Brown and hoping for something out of Wesneski and/or Taillon is a scary proposition with how Jed operates with top level free agents.

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    I really underestimated Stroman based on his injury last year. He is something of a unicorn for his position. If the are able to extend him it will be based on his athleticism. Given his age, I’m hoping it would be a three year contract with a higher AAV with  a club option for a fourth year. 

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    2 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

    Somewhat related, but why isn't Stroman viewed more fondly, from a performance perspective, by fans? Since 2020 he has put up a 3.11 ERA which puts him at #21 in all of baseball amongst pitchers who have thrown at least 200 innings. Despite this, most fan bases view him as a decent mid rotation guy, but in reality he's closer to a low end #1 or high end #2. His ERA is actually lower than guys like Gerrit Cole, Yu Darvish, Dylan Cease, etc. over that span.

    Lack of velocity, lack of Ks, reliance on the ground ball are all things that make him not a flashy top of the rotation guy but he's certainly been exactly as you describe him pretty consistently for quite a while.

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    1 hour ago, mul21 said:

    Lack of velocity, lack of Ks, reliance on the ground ball are all things that make him not a flashy top of the rotation guy but he's certainly been exactly as you describe him pretty consistently for quite a while.

    I also think his missing some time also contributes to it.  Only 138 innings in 2022, missed all of 2020, and only 102 in 2018,  Not seen as a work horse.  

    But he's 3rd in the Majors and 1st in the NL in innings pitched so far this year.  

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    Sign me up for 4/$100. Guy’s pound for pound arguably the strongest and most well conditioned starting pitcher in the league, up there with like Aaron Nola and Cole and Framber Valdez

     

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    Yeah, sign me up for 4 years at whatever market value is for a guy like that these days.

    I don't like signing pitchers, especially 32 year old pitchers, to guaranteed money.  But I don't think we have a lot of options to replace him.

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