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  • The Cubs and Pete Crow-Armstrong Might Be Facing a (Good) Dilemma


    Brandon Glick

    The Cubs are closing in on a playoff spot. The Cubs have one of the top prospects in all of baseball, and he’s at Triple A. A decision looms.

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    Pete Crow-Armstrong is the top prospect in the Chicago Cubs’ farm system, and a consensus top-10 prospect in all of baseball. He’s the most highly-regarded prospect the Cubs have had since the days of Kris Bryant and Javier Baez (for whom he was acquired), and seems destined to be the man who patrols center field at Wrigley for the next decade-plus. 

    If you’ve been keeping up with scouting reports at all since the Cubs acquired him during the 2021 Trade Deadline Fire Sale, you know PCA’s calling cards: defense and speed. According to MLB.com’s scouting report (which merely corroborates the universal notion on PCA), Crow-Armstrong has true, top-of-the-scale 80-grade defense, and he receives similarly high marks for his speed and aggressiveness on the base paths. 

    The 2023 Cubs are looking to make some noise in these final two months, indicated by their surprising deadline approach of buying the top rental bat on the market in Jeimer Candelario (and controllable reliever José Cuas). They’re clearly serious about each and every roster spot—a fact highlighted by their willingness to designate Trey Mancini for assignment and swallow the remaining $10 million or so on his contract. So, assuming the Cubs remain competitive throughout August, would they actually consider using one of the two extra roster spots on their top prospect?

    The last Cubs teams that were competitive certainly would have made a case for it. Before that core fell apart and was shipped off for the prospects that will define the next era of Cubs baseball, the team had an affinity for using that last roster spot on elite speed and/or defensive threats who could be used as valuable late-game substitutions. (Remember Leonys Martin in 2017, or Terrance Gore in 2018?) Crow-Armstrong fits both mini-role descriptions, and it’s almost certain his bat would already be more playable than any of the other pinch-runners and defensive subs they’ve thrown out there in the past. 

    However, there’s also water to throw on this fire. Crow-Armstrong doesn’t need to be added to the 40-man roster this offseason for Rule 5 protection, meaning that the Cubs can wait to do so until after the offseason to maintain maximum flexibility for their signings, trades and other prospect maneuvers over the winter. Moreover, he was only added to the Triple-A Iowa Cubs roster this week. It may be best for his development (and in the same vein, the future of the Cubs) to use this last month of the minor-league season to figure out what he needs to work on over the offseason to show up to 2024 Spring Training ready to compete for the center field job, rather than worrying about providing marginal value to a big-league team in the heat of a playoff push. All of that fails to mention that if the Cubs don’t add Crow-Armstrong with one of the two extra roster spots that now constitute September call-ups, they can add another prospect banging on the door of the Major Leagues. (Luis Vasquez, Yonathan Perlaza, or Matt Mervis, anyone?)

    It’s probably also worth noting that this Cubs team is pretty well-equipped in center field already. Cody Bellinger is having a monstrous comeback season, and is on the heels of winning National League Player of the Month in July. He’s an elite bat and defender out in center, and if Candelario is really going to take over first base full-time down the stretch, the need for Crow-Armstrong is probably mitigated.

    Alas, there are different schools of thought to be applied here. There may be no player in the entire Cubs organization right now better-equipped to help this team at the margins, which becomes amplified as every game starts to mean that much more in the playoff race. But, Crow-Armstrong is still just 21 years old, and only two years removed from a major shoulder surgery that cost him virtually the entire 2021 season. 

    Where the Cubs’ season goes from here may ultimately answer the question on its own. If they remain competitive in the heat of the Wild Card and division race, perhaps Crow-Armstrong earns his cup of coffee in the big leagues. If the club falls out of it (or, alternatively and however improbably, if they run away with and lock up a playoff spot early), he’ll probably remain in the minors until next season. Regardless, it speaks volumes to the success of this campaign—both for Crow-Armstrong and for the Cubs, as a team—that this is a discussion we’ll be having for the foreseeable future. 

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    Consensus top 10? Really? Define consensus. 
     

    anyway, no I don’t think it would be good to call him up as a defensive replacement slash pinch runner. 
     

    call him up when he’s ready to play full time and the team is ready to play him full time. 

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    I originally typed up something longer, but the real answer is I would put heavy odds against PCA seeing MLB time unless there's big, unforeseen changes(e.g. multiple injuries).  There is one (1) roster spot available for a position player call up in September, unless the org commits malpractice and doesn't add an RP when rosters expand.  PCA is unlikely to be the right choice given his current readiness, duplicative skill set with the current roster, and lack of 40 man spot compared to the alternatives.  Want CF/OF defense?  Have it already.  Want a PR?  Mastrobuoni is probably better at it.  Want a LH bat?  Mervis, Young, or even Mastrobuoni are a better bet for a team making a playoff push, and don't require an early 40 man decision.

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    3 hours ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

    I originally typed up something longer, but the real answer is I would put heavy odds against PCA seeing MLB time unless there's big, unforeseen changes(e.g. multiple injuries).  There is one (1) roster spot available for a position player call up in September, unless the org commits malpractice and doesn't add an RP when rosters expand.  PCA is unlikely to be the right choice given his current readiness, duplicative skill set with the current roster, and lack of 40 man spot compared to the alternatives.  Want CF/OF defense?  Have it already.  Want a PR?  Mastrobuoni is probably better at it.  Want a LH bat?  Mervis, Young, or even Mastrobuoni are a better bet for a team making a playoff push, and don't require an early 40 man decision.

    What if they want CF/OF defense, a PR and a left handed bat? You say there are better options for each of those “wants” but is there a better fit for all three? 

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    Also, adding PCA to the roster would immediately make him the SB leader on the team just ahead of Nico. 
     

    I see the value…. Especially since we apparently want to run Wisdom out there as a PR. 

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    15 minutes ago, The20thK said:

    What if they want CF/OF defense, a PR and a left handed bat? You say there are better options for each of those “wants” but is there a better fit for all three? 

    The only thing PCA is the clear best option for is CF/OF defense, and it's only brought up in this context because it's a thing PCA is excellent at.  There isn't any current issue with CF/OF defense, there's multiple good CF defenders on the roster, no one is getting defensively replaced late in games, it's unlikely to be a thing that matters deeply to the front office in how they deploy that one roster spot.  PCA isn't going to be a good MLB hitter next month, and while he is very fast he's an inefficient baserunner compared to Mastrobuoni.  If you want speed you bring back Mastrobuoni, if you want a bat first guy you bring back Mervis or Young.  We don't have to consider who is the best option for speed + LH bat + OF defense because that's not the grouping that will or should be prioritized.  But since you asked, still Mastrobuoni.  Slightly better baserunner, much better bat(for September 2023), and where he lacks elite defense he makes up for with positional versatility.

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    6 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

    Consensus top 10? Really? Define consensus. 
     

    anyway, no I don’t think it would be good to call him up as a defensive replacement slash pinch runner. 
     

    call him up when he’s ready to play full time and the team is ready to play him full time. 

    Nearly every mid-season prospect update (MLB.com, Bleacher Report, Prospects Live, Keith Law) has him top 10 (or within a spot or two of it). Fangraphs is admittedly down on him though (22, which is well below the industry "consensus"). 

    And I think it's fair to keep him down while he develops into (hopefully) the future at CF. But this team is competitive now. They're in a playoff spot as of today. Even an extra win or two could make the difference down the stretch. Something to ponder on. 

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    5 hours ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

    I originally typed up something longer, but the real answer is I would put heavy odds against PCA seeing MLB time unless there's big, unforeseen changes(e.g. multiple injuries).  There is one (1) roster spot available for a position player call up in September, unless the org commits malpractice and doesn't add an RP when rosters expand.  PCA is unlikely to be the right choice given his current readiness, duplicative skill set with the current roster, and lack of 40 man spot compared to the alternatives.  Want CF/OF defense?  Have it already.  Want a PR?  Mastrobuoni is probably better at it.  Want a LH bat?  Mervis, Young, or even Mastrobuoni are a better bet for a team making a playoff push, and don't require an early 40 man decision.

    Completely agree that the odds are long, and there may already be similar options on the 40 man. But PCA is undoubtedly the best outfield defender in the entire org right now, and he's electric on the bases (and he gets on base a lot). He's definitely not going to start even if he comes up, but if the Cubs go through a tough stretch for a week at the end of August, he could provide a big spark. 

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    1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

    If we're eyeing top prospects to squeeze some value out of late, I wouldn't object to getting Horton some appearances.

    Wow. Haven't even considered this (I guess because the expectation is Ben Brown would be the guy to come up since he's already on the 40 man, but now he's dealing with an injury). 

    I would bet everything against this happening. Just can't see a way with the roster crunch that this occurs. But man, that would be something. Would certainly have an electric debut at Wrigley. 

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    2 minutes ago, Brandon Glick said:

    Nearly every mid-season prospect update (MLB.com, Bleacher Report, Prospects Live, Keith Law) has him top 10 (or within a spot or two of it). Fangraphs is admittedly down on him though (22, which is well below the industry "consensus"). 

    And I think it's fair to keep him down while he develops into (hopefully) the future at CF. But this team is competitive now. They're in a playoff spot as of today. Even an extra win or two could make the difference down the stretch. Something to ponder on. 

    Of the four you listed, he's 13th in one and 18th in another.

    He's outside the top 12 3 of the 5 lists you mentioned.  That's not a consensus top 10 prospect.

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    2 minutes ago, Brandon Glick said:

    Wow. Haven't even considered this (I guess because the expectation is Ben Brown would be the guy to come up since he's already on the 40 man, but now he's dealing with an injury). 

    I would bet everything against this happening. Just can't see a way with the roster crunch that this occurs. But man, that would be something. Would certainly have an electric debut at Wrigley. 

    You're hardly the only one to assume Brown is next in line, but I don't get it.

    He can't throw strikes. At all.  He's barely keeping his ERA below 5 at AAA because he's got 40 walks in 65 innings.

    Some prospects are "wow, as long as this guy keeps doing what he's doing at each level, he'll be in the majors" types. Like PCA.

    Some prospects are "well this guy sucks as he is, but the tools are there if he ever figures it out." Brown is that type.  

    We can keep him around indefinitely waiting to see if he can get some semblance of command, and if he does he can be a star, but until he does I see no reason to give him MLB innings.

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    8 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

    Of the four you listed, he's 13th in one and 18th in another.

    He's outside the top 12 3 of the 5 lists you mentioned.  That's not a consensus top 10 prospect.

    MLB.com has him at 7, Prospects Live has him at 8, Keith Law tweeted (X'd?) "he's a top 5 prospect on my next list" last week. 

    B/R has him at 13, which is within a few promotions (ahead of him on the list) of the distinction. And of course I acknowledged that FanGraphs is low on him. 

    Is he the absolute top guy in the minors? No, of course not. And industry rankings will always fluctuate. But he's a tip top prospect who's only getting hotter in the second half. Something tells me all lists will have him top 10 once the offseason comes around. 

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    3 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

    You're hardly the only one to assume Brown is next in line, but I don't get it.

    He can't throw strikes. At all.  He's barely keeping his ERA below 5 at AAA because he's got 40 walks in 65 innings.

    Some prospects are "wow, as long as this guy keeps doing what he's doing at each level, he'll be in the majors" types. Like PCA.

    Some prospects are "well this guy sucks as he is, but the tools are there if he ever figures it out." Brown is that type.  

    We can keep him around indefinitely waiting to see if he can get some semblance of command, and if he does he can be a star, but until he does I see no reason to give him MLB innings.

    I'm with you on that front. I've always been a "guy needs to master this level to get promoted to the next". And Brown is falling into the Killian camp of "elite stuff without elite results". I think he's better suited for a long-relief bullpen stint once the rosters expand thanks to two plus-plus pitches (4-seam fastball, curveball), but he definitely doesn't need to be the next man up for me. 

    God we need Stroman to come back healthy haha. 

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    14 minutes ago, Brandon Glick said:

    MLB.com has him at 7, Prospects Live has him at 8, Keith Law tweeted (X'd?) "he's a top 5 prospect on my next list" last week. 

    B/R has him at 13, which is within a few promotions (ahead of him on the list) of the distinction. And of course I acknowledged that FanGraphs is low on him. 

    Is he the absolute top guy in the minors? No, of course not. And industry rankings will always fluctuate. But he's a tip top prospect who's only getting hotter in the second half. Something tells me all lists will have him top 10 once the offseason comes around. 

    Fangraphs is awesome, but their prospect rankings are ****. They have Triantos as our #2 prospect. Mervis as #46. A lot of other dumb ones as well. I wouldn’t use them for any prospect ranking for any player. 
     

    Calling PCA a consensus top 10 prospect is fair. There’s so many prospect rankings that you can pick and choose which one fits your argument best at any given time. He’s an elite prospect. You’re splitting hairs if you’re arguing he’s not “top 10.” 

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    33 minutes ago, Brandon Glick said:

    Completely agree that the odds are long, and there may already be similar options on the 40 man. But PCA is undoubtedly the best outfield defender in the entire org right now, and he's electric on the bases (and he gets on base a lot). He's definitely not going to start even if he comes up, but if the Cubs go through a tough stretch for a week at the end of August, he could provide a big spark. 

    After he has played a whole season in the minors, keeping him as a late-inning of replacement, a pinch hitter and probably most importantly… a pinch runner, it seems like he may have value to a team like the Cubs. If it’s costs us any years of control… I’d refuse but outside of that, I don’t see why we wouldn’t. 

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    I don't think PCA could provide enough value coming up the to majors this season. It serves him and the club better to stay down in the minors. Let's see how seasoned he is spring training next year.  Teams can always find a speedster or glove first guy on waivers.

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    20 minutes ago, Hunter said:

    I don't think PCA could provide enough value coming up the to majors this season. It serves him and the club better to stay down in the minors. Let's see how seasoned he is spring training next year.  Teams can always find a speedster or glove first guy on waivers.

    He wouldn’t come up until AAA season was over. So he wouldn’t be losing valuable AAA time. I think the biggest issue is they would have to commit to him on the 40 man now instead of after spring training next year. I don’t they they will put him on the 40 man until next year. That is why I doubt they being him up. 

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    14 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

    He wouldn’t come up until AAA season was over. So he wouldn’t be losing valuable AAA time. I think the biggest issue is they would have to commit to him on the 40 man now instead of after spring training next year. I don’t they they will put him on the 40 man until next year. That is why I doubt they being him up. 

    That I understand. 

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    18 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

    If we're eyeing top prospects to squeeze some value out of late, I wouldn't object to getting Horton some appearances.

    This is an underrated suggestion. The team’s probably going to need some velo and bat missing in the rotation to go as far as they can late, he’s succeeding in the upper minors…feels like the ingredients are there 

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    19 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

    If we're eyeing top prospects to squeeze some value out of late, I wouldn't object to getting Horton some appearances.

     

    43 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    This is an underrated suggestion. The team’s probably going to need some velo and bat missing in the rotation to go as far as they can late, he’s succeeding in the upper minors…feels like the ingredients are there 

    Tom agrees with Kyle, for those of you scoring at home. 

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    44 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    ... he’s succeeding in the upper minors…

    Doesn't he still have just the one start at AA?

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    Guys, they’re not calling up Horton tmrrw! If you want a player on the farm who can help the 2023 team most then the SP prospect with upper 90s and bat missing breaking stuff on a staff that doesn’t have any of that can make sense 

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