B.J. Ryan to Blue Jays

[Drew Doughty]

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/369021p-313970c.html

 

5yr/47 mil

[imb]

yamahama

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

$47M / 5 years. :shock:

 

holy shnikes!

Edited November 26, 2005 by Meat&PotatoesMan

[Drew Doughty]

Apparently, they really wanted him.

[WrigleyField 22]

Wow.

:shock:

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I do not believe that - I guess they are out of the Burnett race. My God.

[RynoRules]

$47M / 5 years. :shock:

 

holy shnikes!

 

Meat - you have been killing Hendry for overpaying. Wanna dish on Riccardi now? Almost 10 a year for 5 years, my good man. 8-[

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I do not believe that - I guess they are out of the Burnett race. My God.

 

Well, I guess they had to pay more b/c it is Toronto. I think they had $30M to spend this offseason. Giles and Burnett are still possibilities.

 

It's only $9.4M per year. :lol: The years is what surprised me, although he is a very good pitcher. I'd rather have him at 47M/5 than eyre and howry at a combined 23M/3 (7.67M/year), but that dream is gone.

[RynoRules]

I do not believe that - I guess they are out of the Burnett race. My God.

 

Well, I guess they had to pay more b/c it is Toronto. I think they had $30M to spend this offseason. Giles and Burnett are still possibilities.

 

It's only $9.4M per year. :lol: The years is what surprised me, although he is a very good pitcher. I'd rather have him at 47M/5 than eyre and howry at a combined 23M/3 (7.67M/year), but that dream is gone.

 

:roll: Wow.

[cubbyvirus00]

^^^^^^^^^^ why?

 

To have all your eggs in one basket for ONE pitcher, is suicidal.

[Omar]

Whats with all the over-paying to relievers this off-season?

 

Guess its not just the Cubs... :lol:

[ctcf]

Holy crap :shock:

[RynoRules]

Holy crap :shock:

 

Bingo

[cubbyvirus00]

I've been saying for awhile, that theres ALOT of teams that need bullpen arms, and they want to get em sold now, before it becomes a bidfest.

 

Wagner is the only guy left now, and I'm thinking he'll get more then Ryan.

[imb]

We all figured it would take 9 or 10 a year to get him. It's a lot of money, but not that surprising, I guess. (Other than the years)

[Drew Doughty]

The years aren't that surprising. Wagner was going to wind up with 4 years most likely, and Ryan is younger. The guarenteed 5 is a little surprising, I guess.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

$47M / 5 years. :shock:

 

holy shnikes!

 

Meat - you have been killing Hendry for overpaying. Wanna dish on Riccardi now? Almost 10 a year for 5 years, my good man. 8-[

 

Actually, I think this is an ok deal. Ryan is 29 (30 next season). His WHIP, K/BB, K/9 are outstanding. Eyre and Howry (i like howry) are nowhere close, of course they aren't paid close to 9.4M/year either (combined 7.7M/year).

 

Riccardi is like Hendry right now - they both had around $30M to spend at the start of the offseason. Hendry spent about 8M/year for 3 years on veteran pen arms that aren't likely to be worth the money for the life of their contracts. Riccardi overspent on a dominant younger pen arm for 5 years. Ryan won't earn his money the last one or two years of his contract, but he'll be great in the first 3. I don't love either move, but Riccardi is dealing with bringing premiere talent to a losing franchise, so it is expected that he will have to overpay. Riccardi's first step as GM was to bring in talent no one ever heard of on the cheap. Now that he has his cheap base he can spend on the big FA or two (the owner planned to open his pocket book if Riccardi showed him the necessary results, which he did). Trading away prospects for top players would undermine what he did in the first place. You will overpay in free agency. Hendry just does it with the wrong players.

[RynoRules]

We all figured it would take 9 or 10 a year to get him. It's a lot of money, but not that surprising, I guess. (Other than the years)

 

That's what shook me - 3 years made more sense. The spending is over the top so far this year, and it ain't just Hendry.

[imb]

We all figured it would take 9 or 10 a year to get him. It's a lot of money, but not that surprising, I guess. (Other than the years)

 

That's what shook me - 3 years made more sense. The spending is over the top so far this year, and it ain't just Hendry.

 

Well, Wagner was offered 4 years, and Ryan is younger (with far less mileage on his arm), so I guess thats not too surprising either.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

We all figured it would take 9 or 10 a year to get him. It's a lot of money, but not that surprising, I guess. (Other than the years)

 

That's what shook me - 3 years made more sense. The spending is over the top so far this year, and it ain't just Hendry.

 

Well, Wagner was offered 4 years, and Ryan is younger (with far less mileage on his arm), so I guess thats not too surprising either.

 

It's free agency and there are a ton of teams with money to spend and fans to please by bringing in the bigger names.

[RynoRules]

$47M / 5 years. :shock:

 

holy shnikes!

 

Meat - you have been killing Hendry for overpaying. Wanna dish on Riccardi now? Almost 10 a year for 5 years, my good man. 8-[

 

Actually, I think this is an ok deal. Ryan is 29 (30 next season). His WHIP, K/BB, K/9 are outstanding. Eyre and Howry (i like howry) are nowhere close, of course they aren't paid close to 9.4M/year either (combined 7.7M/year).

 

Riccardi is like Hendry right now - they both had around $30M to spend at the start of the offseason. Hendry spent about 8M/year for 3 years on veteran pen arms that aren't likely to be worth the money for the life of their contracts. Riccardi overspent on a dominant younger pen arm for 5 years. Ryan won't earn his money the last one or two years of his contract, but he'll be great in the first 3. I don't love either move, but Riccardi is dealing with bringing premiere talent to a losing franchise, so it is expected that he will have to overpay. Riccardi's first step as GM was to bring in talent no one ever heard of on the cheap. Now that he has his cheap base he can spend on the big FA or two (the owner planned to open his pocket book if Riccardi showed him the necessary results, which he did). Trading away prospects for top players would undermine what he did in the first place. You will overpay in free agency. Hendry just does it with the wrong players.

 

The Blue Jays have won a ton more than the Cubs, so I don't think that "he has to overpay to bring in talent" argument holds water. Hendry isn't exactly pitching a winning tradition to FAs.

 

I think you are wrong about this signing. Riccardi overspent here, just like he did last season on Koskie (though Ryan is a better player). Ryan is a good pitcher, but that is big-time cash, which, IMO, he has not earned. The fact that the mkt is thin earned it for him. Here are his career stats:

 

http://www.baseballreference.com/r/ryanb.01.shtml

 

He's been a closer for one year, and just got a Rivera / Wagner type deal. Its not that he isn't an effective and valuable picther, its that he isn't what that contract makes him out to be, IMO.

[RynoRules]

We all figured it would take 9 or 10 a year to get him. It's a lot of money, but not that surprising, I guess. (Other than the years)

 

That's what shook me - 3 years made more sense. The spending is over the top so far this year, and it ain't just Hendry.

 

Well, Wagner was offered 4 years, and Ryan is younger (with far less mileage on his arm), so I guess thats not too surprising either.

 

It's free agency and there are a ton of teams with money to spend and fans to please by bringing in the bigger names.

 

So its okay to spend if you bring in a "bigger name". Just clarifying. If Hendry had done this deal instead of the Eyre and Howry deals, you would have been okay with it b/c Ryan is the "bigger name"?

[TrueBlueCubFan]

This makes the Dempster signing look like a steal. 3 yr. 15.5 mil

[TrueBlueCubFan]

We all figured it would take 9 or 10 a year to get him. It's a lot of money, but not that surprising, I guess. (Other than the years)

 

That's what shook me - 3 years made more sense. The spending is over the top so far this year, and it ain't just Hendry.

 

Well, Wagner was offered 4 years, and Ryan is younger (with far less mileage on his arm), so I guess thats not too surprising either.

 

It's free agency and there are a ton of teams with money to spend and fans to please by bringing in the bigger names.

 

So its okay to spend if you bring in a "bigger name". Just clarifying. If Hendry had done this deal instead of the Eyre and Howry deals, you would have been okay with it b/c Ryan is the "bigger name"?

Neither B.Ryan or B.Wagner were options for the Cubs. They have their closer: His name is Ryan Dempster!!

[RynoRules]

This makes the Dempster signing look like a steal. 3 yr. 15.5 mil

 

Yup.

 

Here's Ryan v. Dempster, and remember that Demp began 2005 in the rotation:

 

http://www.baseballreference.com/r/ryanb.01.shtml

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/dempsry01.shtml

 

Anyone have Dempster's closer-only stats?