Better Javy, KB, Zobrist defense?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yeah, the idea wasn't that Zobrist only ever plays one position, but that he has a consistent defensive home so he didn't end up with a distribution like he did in 2012(where he played at least 47 games at 3 positions).

 

I'm having a hard time with this because I really want Bryant to play 3B as much as possible. Not because I think he's the best 3B ever or anything, but because I want him to get consistent play there so in 2017 and beyond we don't have to question his ability to go back there. The ideal at this point would be to have Zobrist shift to LF until Soler takes playing time away from Baez/La Stella or the Baez/La Stella platoon fails. But given the first paragraph that might be a tricky thing to do from a people management standpoint.

[Gmoney08]

Defense at 2B is more important than at 3B is more important than at LF.

i do not consider this to be true

 

I actually think Javy is slightly better even at SS. His arm is decently better and range slightly better.

 

Russell might be more consistent there at this exact moment but id bet Javy would be the better prime SS.

this is insulting; for his career, Russell is +21 UZR/150, better than every other SS in baseball during that span...yes, Javy might theoretically make for a better SS except for all the errors he would sure to make

 

We all know you just hate Javy.

 

But, yeah I love Russell... I just dont think its out of the question that the Cubs have two elite gloves at SS right now. Maddon gushes over Javy as one of the best gloves he has ever seen. We dont know what Javy would do out at SS everyday yet. I even admitted Russell would likely be more consistent there currently with Javy's lack of consistent reps there over the past 2 years. I just think its quite likely Javy's peak defense is even better than Russell.

[Bull]

Defense at 2B is more important than at 3B is more important than at LF.

i do not consider this to be true

 

I actually think Javy is slightly better even at SS. His arm is decently better and range slightly better.

 

Russell might be more consistent there at this exact moment but id bet Javy would be the better prime SS.

this is insulting; for his career, Russell is +21 UZR/150, better than every other SS in baseball during that span...yes, Javy might theoretically make for a better SS except for all the errors he would sure to make

 

PlusPlus hands

[Clem Fandango]

PlusPlus hands

 

Did someone put out the Double Plus Hands signal?

 

http://i.imgur.com/OqHmIuk.jpg

[Cubbie Swagger]

I'm all about a Rizzo-Baez-Russell-Bryant infield in due time.

See, that's what I've been hoping for, and it's kinda why the Zobrist signing was a "meh" for me. I'm worried Baez is never going to get a real shot with us and then we'll end up trading him.

[Bull]

I'm all about a Rizzo-Baez-Russell-Bryant infield in due time.

See, that's what I've been hoping for, and it's kinda why the Zobrist signing was a "meh" for me. I'm worried Baez is never going to get a real shot with us and then we'll end up trading him.

For Adam warren.

 

Previous regime guys are superfluous to the master plan.

 

Someone help me remember... when Theo was recruiting someone (Joe?, lester?) there was a "2016 projected lineup" that included Heyward in the pitch. Was Baez in it? Fuzzy memory details may be all wrong.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Starlin wasn't traded because he was from a different regime and didn't fit Theo's prototype player. He was traded because he wasn't very good and was set to start making some money, and we had a chance to replace him with a better player through free agency. If Javy is a, say, 4-win hacker, Theo's not going to trade him because he is a hacker. We'll just have something like 7 patient 4-win players and 1 impatient 4-win player.

 

Javy might not be the type of guy that Theo would look to build a team around. However, he is here now. And Theo certainly isn't dumb enough to just give up on a guy because he isn't good in the specific way he prefers players to be good.

[Clem Fandango]

Starlin wasn't traded because he was from a different regime and didn't fit Theo's prototype player.

 

There's also that whole situation where Theo gave Starlin his contract extension back in 2012, further disproving the whole notion he was trying to push out old regime talent.

[Bull]

Starlin wasn't traded because he was from a different regime and didn't fit Theo's prototype player. He was traded because he wasn't very good and was set to start making some money, and we had a chance to replace him with a better player through free agency. If Javy is a, say, 4-win hacker, Theo's not going to trade him because he is a hacker. We'll just have something like 7 patient 4-win players and 1 impatient 4-win player.

 

Javy might not be the type of guy that Theo would look to build a team around. However, he is here now. And Theo certainly isn't dumb enough to just give up on a guy because he isn't good in the specific way he prefers players to be good.

Wow, sorry I thought it was understood not to take anything I say TOO seriously. I mean it, but mostly tongue in cheek. Theo obviously prefers a certain mold that Javy doesn't fit.

 

I also believe part the greatness of this team is the cumulative effect of a whole line-up of patient hitters knocking a pitcher with his best stuff out in the fourth inning without scoring any runs off him.

 

I also understand that 1 player doesn't COMPLETELY derail that scenario on a given day.

 

I also understand that Theo will make this team better (according to his mold) if an opportunity presents itself, and that won't necessarily include trading Javy, and would only happen at his peak value.

 

Also understand that there may be just a little hubris involved in "tearing it down to the studs" (pun intended; TM).

 

But mostly I was trying to make a funny.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Starlin wasn't traded because he was from a different regime and didn't fit Theo's prototype player.

 

There's also that whole situation where Theo gave Starlin his contract extension back in 2012, further disproving the whole notion he was trying to push out old regime talent.

 

Yeah, and if he wanted to get in his own guys and push out guys from the old regime, he's had plenty of time already to trade Javy -- you know, like when he was a top-5 prospect. Instead, he chose to take the risk on a risky player that was already widely known for his tendencies as a hacker.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Baez is seeing about as many pitches per plate appearance as Rizzo, and more than Soler, Bryant, and Zobrist.

[imb]

Baez is seeing about as many pitches per plate appearance as Rizzo, and more than Soler, Bryant, and Zobrist.

 

well yeah, you're like 75% of the way to league average if you swing and miss three times in a row.