YAY! Expanded replay!

[bukie]

Another alternative would be to have technology in each stadium that would immediately indicate fair/foul based on the landing of the ball, and just to consider the play live until the stadium indicator shows foul.

 

In tennis, when players challenge line calls, it takes those systems about 5 seconds to indicate whether the ball was in or out.

[treebird]

Another alternative would be to have technology in each stadium that would immediately indicate fair/foul based on the landing of the ball, and just to consider the play live until the stadium indicator shows foul.

 

i like this idea because i was trying to figure out how you would convey to the players that a ball was fair or foul, and the first thing that popped into my head was strapping giant speakers to the umpires' chests that would bellow out the call.

 

i support this plan as long as we can do that.

[Tracer Bullet]

I don't think replay undoes the Santana no hitter, or at least I hope it wouldn't. I'm not a big fan of reversing dead ball calls and letting umpires or inflexible rules simulate action.

 

How could it possibly not? Are you saying fair or foul shouldn't be reviewable? I think that's one of the easiest things to fix, especially on that particular call. Now, things change a bit if there was a guy on 1st who may have scored, but that's an easy ground rule double call to break up the no hitter once you see that ball hit the chalk.

 

I think you can change fair calls to foul, but not the other way around(the exception being HR which have no on field action). Beltran's case might be pretty straight forward, but there's too many other things at play for me to feel comfortable with simulating action to get to a result. What do you do with runners on base? What if it's a pop up down the line that the LF or SS can immediately pick up and throw to a base? So the only way to handle it would be to give discretion to the umpire, the same umpire we're trying to take power away from because they just blew a call. It's like a runner being down in football. You can rule them down somewhere after the fact, but interpreting what would have happened when you've already called the play dead is too much hypothetical interpretation for me.

 

What's the difference between overturning a foul ball on a HR and a ground rule double?

[Guest]

What's the difference between overturning a foul ball on a HR and a ground rule double?

 

There's not, but there's an extraordinarily small number of ground rule doubles that could even be considered foul.

[Tracer Bullet]

Another alternative would be to have technology in each stadium that would immediately indicate fair/foul based on the landing of the ball, and just to consider the play live until the stadium indicator shows foul.

 

In tennis, when players challenge line calls, it takes those systems about 5 seconds to indicate whether the ball was in or out.

 

And it only takes that long for dramatic effect

[Tracer Bullet]

Another alternative would be to have technology in each stadium that would immediately indicate fair/foul based on the landing of the ball, and just to consider the play live until the stadium indicator shows foul.

 

i like this idea because i was trying to figure out how you would convey to the players that a ball was fair or foul, and the first thing that popped into my head was strapping giant speakers to the umpires' chests that would bellow out the call.

 

i support this plan as long as we can do that.

 

Umps must carry boom boxes above their heads Lloyd Dobler style. They can play "in your eyes" during breaks in the action.

 

There is no acceptable alternative.

[Guest]

They could always do as they do in tennis when an "out" call gets reversed: replay the point.

 

I believe they factor in whether or not the opposing player would have or did get to the ball. So if Player A hits a serve that his opponent doesn't get to but is ruled out and then overturned, it's an ace.

[Banedon]

Not the endorsement I'd have picked, but I guess beggars can't be choosers....

 

After talking about how bad it was that umpires can’t get the calls right and after decrying the “human element,” he said “let the humans do it somehow.” But then he was pushed a bit:

 

Reminded that humans are bound to make mistakes in whatever job, Valentine responded: “Don’t make it their job, then. The rule book doesn’t say that the game will be played and arbitrarily ruled.” Valentine said umpires are “well-trained and very good at what they do. But I think it’s almost impossible to do what they do. So why do we ask them to do the impossible?

 

He went on to note how these days pitchers throw stuff that has all kinds of crazy late movement that is often invisible from an umpire’s point of view, adding “They can’t see it. They’re humans. We’re asking humans to do a feat that a human can’t do.”

 

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/12/bobby-valentine-would-welcome-automated-ball-and-strike-calls/

[woodchip2153]

probably the best place for this.

 

http://deadspin.com/5920117/carlos-santana-was-out-by-six-feet-except-that-umpire-jim-wolf-is-legally-blind

[Clem Fandango]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8278062/major-league-baseball-test-two-experimental-replay-systems

 

Major League Baseball will begin installing two new, experimental replay systems this month at Yankee Stadium and Citi Field in New York to test their viability for reviewing fair/foul calls.

 

The systems won't be used to reverse or confirm calls at this time, according to MLB officials familiar with the plans. But their installation will enable MLB to determine which system would best fit baseball's needs.

 

"Hawkeye," the camera-based technology used in tennis, will be tested at Citi Field, both during Mets games in September and on off-days. A radar-based system, similar to the technology used to track shots in golf telecasts, will be tested at Yankee Stadium. That technology, officials said, has not been used previously to review calls in any sport.

 

Baseball also plans to test both systems during the Arizona Fall League and present the results in November at the next owners' meetings.