Does Soto have ANY value right now?

[Sammy Sofa]

Why does Tampa even need Soto? I was told that Chirinos should be pretty entrenched by now.

 

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[Theo]

Why does Tampa even need Soto? I was told that Chirinos should be pretty entrenched by now.

 

Lol. The overwhelming Cub fan reaction to that trade...from what I read because I wasn't overly involved in the thread here...was atrocious. Never have I seen so much outrage over losing a few mid-20's bench options.

 

It convinced me that prospects, as valuable as they are, can be ridiculously overvalued and smart FOs with money can take advantage of that. Here we see it in the case of Alex Torres being way too much for a 28 year old starting C who can it.

 

Soto is 29

[Hendrys Ghost]

Lets say I am going to buy a car that has a good history but since then has taken a few hits in the press. Do I make an offer to a savy salesman based on it's history, or an offer based on a few bad press reviews?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Why does Tampa even need Soto? I was told that Chirinos should be pretty entrenched by now.

 

Lol. The overwhelming Cub fan reaction to that trade...from what I read because I wasn't overly involved in the thread here...was atrocious. Never have I seen so much outrage over losing a few mid-20's bench options.

 

It convinced me that prospects, as valuable as they are, can be ridiculously overvalued and smart FOs with money can take advantage of that. Here we see it in the case of Alex Torres being way too much for a 28 year old starting C who can it.

 

Soto is 29

 

People were a bit apprehensive about giving up Archer, and we pretty much expected that Lee would be part of the deal. I don't think that there was much fuss put up at all over Chirinos, Fuld, or Guyer, especially considering that we walked out if it with a few extra pieces.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Lets say I am going to buy a car that has a good history but since then has taken a few hits in the press. Do I make an offer to a savy salesman based on it's history, or an offer based on a few bad press reviews?

 

It depends on how badly you need the car and the salesmans urgency to get rid of it.

[UK1679666180]

Lets say I am going to buy a car that has a good history but since then has taken a few hits in the press. Do I make an offer to a savy salesman based on it's history, or an offer based on a few bad press reviews?

 

Very odd metaphor that works better for a team trying to get Soto on the cheap rather than someone trying to justify Soto's value with the Cubs.

[Hendrys Ghost]

Lets say I am going to buy a car that has a good history but since then has taken a few hits in the press. Do I make an offer to a savy salesman based on it's history, or an offer based on a few bad press reviews?

 

It depends on how badly you need the car and the salesmans urgency to get rid of it.

 

The car (Soto) is costing us more money than it's worth and we need to cut our losses. Do we take a reasonable offer and move him/it or roll the dice and keep him/it?

Edited April 23, 2012 by Hendry's Ghost

[Little Slide Rooter]

Lets say I am going to buy a car that has a good history but since then has taken a few hits in the press. Do I make an offer to a savy salesman based on it's history, or an offer based on a few bad press reviews?

 

It depends on how badly you need the car and the salesmans urgency to get rid of it.

 

The car (Soto) is costing us more money than it's worth and we need to cut our losses. Do we take a resonable offer and move him/it or roll the dice and keep him/it?

 

 

And how is this car costing us?

[Hendrys Ghost]

Not part of the long term plans of the team, getting close to an age where he will bring less and less of a return especially if the terrible start keeps up. If he is not part of Theo's plan for the future, the older he gets with the bad production, the less he is worth.

[Sammy Sofa]

He's not worth much right now, so I really don't see how you can be worried that he'll kill his value down the line.

[Hendrys Ghost]

He's not worth much right now, so I really don't see how you can be worried that he'll kill his value down the line.

 

And the more I think about it, I don't know if that's true. He is still not at an age where teams can say he is: "old", but he is nearing that area soon. If Theo can be a shrewd car salesman and get a team to buy his "past years' and not the current: "bad reviews, we could get some value.

[Sammy Sofa]

Sure, if he can, but that's not too likely right now. Bottom line, there's really no rush to get rid of Soto.

[KingCubsFan]

I'd wait to see if LA stays in the race (and AJ Ellis doesn't continue his 111 walk pace). Theo might be able to rip off Colletti at the deadline, but that certainly won't be happening with Friedman/Tampa.

[Guest]

Soto has a .447 OPS and a BABIP that is 50 points below his LD%. Odds are overwhelming that he's going to improve significantly as the season progresses.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I'd wait to see if LA stays in the race (and AJ Ellis doesn't continue his 111 walk pace). Theo might be able to rip off Colletti at the deadline, but that certainly won't be happening with Friedman/Tampa.

 

We don't need to rip anyone off. Just get fair value.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Soto is 29

 

Oh noes.

 

By the deadline some contender will come a'knockin so long as he heats up and stays healthy.

[El Duderino]

if Soto was a car, what kind of car would he be?

[Hendrys Ghost]

if Soto was a car, what kind of car would he be?

 

2007 Ford Explorer.

[Sammy Sofa]

Walter White's Aztek.

[treebird]

Walter White's Aztek.

 

more like walt jr's blowed up challenger

[Little Slide Rooter]

A sparkly green low rider El Camino with those gold rims that spin.

[Sammy Sofa]

Walter White's Aztek.

 

more like walt jr's blowed up challenger

 

[expletive]. That's perfect.

[Hendrys Ghost]

Unfortunately, Soto is off to a slow start and doesn't have the kind of consistent track record that makes teams confident he'll rebound. The ZiPS projection system sees him going .236, 14 HR the rest of the way, which would give him a .225/.311/.403 line for they year.

 

Not exactly the kind of numbers that bring in a strong return, especially given Soto's average defensive skills. Still, catcher isn't a position, unless you're Mike Napoli, where you expect to get huge numbers. So dismal as they may sound, those stats amount to a 2.1 WAR catcher on the season.

 

If you remember from our stats glossary, a 2 WAR player is starter-level, although not an especially good starter. But it is significantly better than what Tampa has now. With each "win" worth $4.5M on the open market, Soto's 2.1 wins above replacement are worth 9.45M, giving approximately $5M worth of surplus value -- something that would certainly entice a Tampa team who is looking to run as financially efficient a team as possible. Soto has 2 years before he becomes a free agent, so if we assume an 89% raise next year, the average in 2012 for arbitration cases, we're looking at an $8.1M salary next year.