Sheridan - Camp Colvin (A few minor leaguers got swole)

[Sammy Sofa]

Maybe he ate Colvin's leg.

[scarey]

what the hell are you even talking about?

 

he may have gained 20 lbs in a year. it wasn't all muscle. nobody's saying anything about PEDs.

 

As I said, maybe my feeling is wrong. I guess it's the residual paranoia of the steroid era.

 

Calm down.

[Fro]

Yeah, these articles always make me suspious of PED usage.

[Pushfrog98]

i believe that he gained 20 lbs. he just didn't gain 20 lbs of muscle.

Unless we know what his body fat% was before and after weight gain, it's impossible to know. Quit being so absolute.

[CUBZ99]

also, it's impossible to add 20 lbs of muscle in 3 months.

 

http://www.livestrong.com/article/80930-gain-pounds-muscle-months/

 

This article disagrees with you.

[wade]

also, it's impossible to add 20 lbs of muscle in 3 months.

 

http://www.livestrong.com/article/80930-gain-pounds-muscle-months/

 

This article disagrees with you.

 

Here's another one that disagrees with abuck-

 

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_program/sports_body_training_muscle_anaconda/anaconda_protocol#2-8211-radical-hypertrophy

 

"Christian gained 27 pounds of muscle in 6 weeks, and was doing seated overhead presses with 375 pound for 5 cluster reps."

 

Sign me up! hahahaha

[wade]

i believe that he gained 20 lbs. he just didn't gain 20 lbs of muscle.

Unless we know what his body fat% was before and after weight gain, it's impossible to know. Quit being so absolute.

 

He's probably being absolute because any study not related to peddling supplements shows that you cannot gain muscle that fast. Unless you're going through puberty and literally growing.

 

You can gain weight from diet and excercise. You can make a good portion of that weight gain muscle. But it takes longer than three months for 20 pounds of muscle.

[wade]

what the hell are you even talking about?

 

he may have gained 20 lbs in a year. it wasn't all muscle. nobody's saying anything about PEDs.

 

As I said, maybe my feeling is wrong. I guess it's the residual paranoia of the steroid era.

 

Calm down.

 

It's not just the steroid era- a guy on the gas could maybe put on 20 pounds in 3 months and it would look good. But even then it wouldn't all be muscle.

 

Lyle McDonald, Alan Aragon, Matt Perryman- if people want to google info on how fast someone can gain muscle, I think those would be good starts. Those guys aren't trying to sell magic supplements.

[abuck1220]

also, it's impossible to add 20 lbs of muscle in 3 months.

 

http://www.livestrong.com/article/80930-gain-pounds-muscle-months/

 

This article disagrees with you.

 

lot of science in that article.

 

believe whatever you want. colvin didn't gain 20 lbs of muscle.

[Splendid Splinter]

to abuck and wade...

 

Lets say someone did gain 20 lbs in 3 months, realistically... how much of that 20 lbs is muscle? Like what's the max? And then, the more likely amount? Just curious to what you guys think...

 

My freshman year of college, first couple of months was me losing a little weight (5-10 lbs) while getting toned then the last 3-4 months I gain about 17 lbs (Most of it was muscles added) overall. I end up being 217 lbs (goal was 215-220) from being about 200-210 at the start and I'm 6'2"-6'3"ish. I was getting advice from Ball State University football strength coach (cuz I knew several football players and they let me work out with them). The only "supplements" (if you wanna call it that) I used was creatine and whey protein... I remember I went from like a 13-14% to 9-10% body fat (over a period of 5-6 months). Granted I didn't gain "20 lbs of muscles" or even gain 20 lbs...

 

I bet when in the article... they really did gain 20 lbs or whatever. I know it's not all muscle (cuz you gotta in account of water rentention/fat/etc...), but can it realistically be like 80% of that (so 16 lbs out of 20)??

 

20 lbs over 3-4 months isn't that much since esp. if the kid is 6'5" (DJ) and still growing into his body.

 

It's like Dustin Keller from the New York Jets (I knew him from high school)... His redshirt freshman year at Purdue, he went from being 6'2" 170 at the start of the school year to about 235 before the school ended that year. I know it wasn't all muscle there, but he easily gained at least 35 lbs of muscle out of that 65. It wouldn't shock me if it was close to 50 lbs of muscles. That's about a 9-10 months period there.

[WrigleyField 22]

I think some people are taking the muscle part too literally. It probably means that the play gained 20 pounds, primarily through improving muscle mass and maintaining/lowering body fat.

[atcfootball]

20lbs of muscle in 3/4 months is not as impossible as it would seem.

 

- I'm 36 years old. Two years ago I was in Iraq for 6 months. During that time I had nothing much to do except work and go to the gym. I ate 3/4 solid meals a day and probably lifted a good 3 1/2 hours a day, 6 days a week. I went to Iraq at 131 lbs. I left I Iraq at 163. Was it all muscle, I highly doubt it; my bench went from 140 to 225. Squats 150 to 300 and Leg Press from 425 to 740. I would say a lot muscle and strength was added. I used no-explode, True Mass and a packet of animal stack daily without fail. I also added for about 1 month a supplement called "testra-flex" however after some research into it I decided to stop using it because it was questionable - Once bodybuilding.com stopped marketing it, I stopped using it.

 

- I would guess that if I had been younger and a strength coach or someone who knew what they were doing in the gym the improvements could have been greater. All said I do not think a pro athlete at nearly any age would have much difficulty adding muscle and weight due to training, proper supplements, diet and rest. They have greater resources and more time to do so then the average person on the street.

[wade]

to abuck and wade...

 

Lets say someone did gain 20 lbs in 3 months, realistically... how much of that 20 lbs is muscle? Like what's the max? And then, the more likely amount? Just curious to what you guys think....

 

I think if a person was lucky, maybe half could be muscle and that's on the high end. About a half a pound a week of muscle on average is what someone could gain. I only think this because I've read a ton of stuff written by people NOT trying to seperate people from their wallet (i.e., those in the supplement industry)

 

My freshman year of college, first couple of months was me losing a little weight (5-10 lbs) while getting toned then the last 3-4 months I gain about 17 lbs (Most of it was muscles added) overall. I end up being 217 lbs (goal was 215-220) from being about 200-210 at the start and I'm 6'2"-6'3"ish. I was getting advice from Ball State University football strength coach (cuz I knew several football players and they let me work out with them). The only "supplements" (if you wanna call it that) I used was creatine and whey protein... I remember I went from like a 13-14% to 9-10% body fat (over a period of 5-6 months). Granted I didn't gain "20 lbs of muscles" or even gain 20 lbs.......

 

So, that's anectdotal evidence that agrees with what I believe.

 

I bet when in the article... they really did gain 20 lbs or whatever. I know it's not all muscle (cuz you gotta in account of water rentention/fat/etc...), but can it realistically be like 80% of that (so 16 lbs out of 20)??

 

I agree, I just believe even 80% is too high for that time period.

 

20 lbs over 3-4 months isn't that much since esp. if the kid is 6'5" (DJ) and still growing into his body.

 

It's like Dustin Keller from the New York Jets (I knew him from high school)... His redshirt freshman year at Purdue, he went from being 6'2" 170 at the start of the school year to about 235 before the school ended that year. I know it wasn't all muscle there, but he easily gained at least 35 lbs of muscle out of that 65. It wouldn't shock me if it was close to 50 lbs of muscles. That's about a 9-10 months period there.

 

The key is 'still growing'. The guy for the Cubs is 22-23. 18-19 is pretty late for a growth spurt, but doable. Early twenties would be really rare.

[Pushfrog98]

The key is 'still growing'. The guy for the Cubs is 22-23. 18-19 is pretty late for a growth spurt, but doable. Early twenties would be really rare.

I didn't even start to add muscle mass until my early 20's, so I think that there are different stages of growth. Height tapers in late teens/early 20's, but muscle mass really doesn't start to develop until late teens/early20's and usually goes through late 20's or so.

[scarey]

I only think this because I've read a ton of stuff written by people NOT trying to seperate people from their wallet (i.e., those in the supplement industry)

 

Just wanted to know what kind of people you're talking about here. I personally have a degree in both dietetics and nutrition/fitness/health. While I'm no expert in muscle hypertrophy and have not really studied it much, based on what I've studied I feel that some people have the ability to add muscle at a rate such as 20lbs over 3-5 month period, as long as they train and eat properly.

 

I would love to read research on it though. Personal fitness, even in extremes, have always been very interesting to me.

 

Also, you may want to check the math on Splendid Splinter's testimonial.

 

He started at: 200lb*.13 body fat= 26lb body fat; 200lb-26lb body fat= 174 lean body mass

He ended at: 217lb*.10 body fat= 21.7lb body fat; 217lb-21.7lb body fat= 195 lean body mass

195lb - 174lb = 21lb lean body mass

 

He actually did gain 21lb lean body mass in 5 or 6 months. Granted, he may have had an extra month on LeMahieu to gain that weight if it was 6 months. Regardless, I don't think it's anectdotal evidence that agrees with what you believe.

[Pushfrog98]

I only think this because I've read a ton of stuff written by people NOT trying to seperate people from their wallet (i.e., those in the supplement industry)

 

Just wanted to know what kind of people you're talking about here. I personally have a degree in both dietetics and nutrition/fitness/health. While I'm no expert in muscle hypertrophy and have not really studied it much, based on what I've studied I feel that some people have the ability to add muscle at a rate such as 20lbs over 3-5 month period, as long as they train and eat properly.

 

I would love to read research on it though. Personal fitness, even in extremes, have always been very interesting to me.

 

Also, you may want to check the math on Splendid Splinter's testimonial.

 

He started at: 200lb*.13 body fat= 26lb body fat; 200lb-26lb body fat= 174 lean body mass

He ended at: 217lb*.10 body fat= 21.7lb body fat; 217lb-21.7lb body fat= 195 lean body mass

195lb - 174lb = 21lb lean body mass

 

He actually did gain 21lb lean body mass in 5 or 6 months. Granted, he may have had an extra month on LeMahieu to gain that weight if it was 6 months. Regardless, I don't think it's anectdotal evidence that agrees with what you believe.

Thanks! That's why I wanted to know body fat% before and after. It is not impossible as some are suggesting, to put that kind of muscle mass on if that's all you are doing.

[Rob]

Ahhh, the powers of newbie gains.

 

While a lot of these guys must have spent time in a weight room before, it's fairly obvious just from looking at their physiques that they had never really put their all into it. With proper nutrition and instruction, you can really pack on mass (and quickly) the first time you start to take it seriously.

 

Could these guys continue to add 20 pounds of muscle every 3/4 months for the rest of their lives? Absolutely not. The law of diminishing marginal returns is in full effect here. But from a particularly lean base with excellent athleticism already on your side? It's absolutely possible to start off this quickly.

[wade]

I only think this because I've read a ton of stuff written by people NOT trying to seperate people from their wallet (i.e., those in the supplement industry)

I would love to read research on it though. Personal fitness, even in extremes, have always been very interesting to me.

 

I listed some names earlier, but Alan Aragon and Lyle McDonald are a couple that immediately come to mind. McDonald can be abrasive, but he also backs his stuff up with studies.

 

 

 

Also, you may want to check the math on Splendid Splinter's testimonial.

 

He started at: 200lb*.13 body fat= 26lb body fat; 200lb-26lb body fat= 174 lean body mass

He ended at: 217lb*.10 body fat= 21.7lb body fat; 217lb-21.7lb body fat= 195 lean body mass

195lb - 174lb = 21lb lean body mass

 

He actually did gain 21lb lean body mass in 5 or 6 months. Granted, he may have had an extra month on LeMahieu to gain that weight if it was 6 months. Regardless, I don't think it's anectdotal evidence that agrees with what you believe.

 

Are we struggling with semantics? Lean body mass isn't all muscle- lean body mass is everything but fat, right?

 

Splendid Splinter flat out said he didn't think it was all muscle.

 

"Granted I didn't gain '20 lbs of muscles'".

 

I (and I assume abuck) are talking about skeletal muscle, and that's what I don't see going up 20 pounds in 3 months for a 22 year old that's been (presumably) an athlete his whole life. That kind of growth would be amazing in a teenager that also grew a couple of inches taller during the same time.

 

Maybe I shouldn't let that wording aggravate me, but a 20 pound weight gain in 3 months - all muscle -would be the outliest of outliers.

[wade]

Ahhh, the powers of newbie gains.

 

While a lot of these guys must have spent time in a weight room before, it's fairly obvious just from looking at their physiques that they had never really put their all into it. With proper nutrition and instruction, you can really pack on mass (and quickly) the first time you start to take it seriously.

 

Could these guys continue to add 20 pounds of muscle every 3/4 months for the rest of their lives? Absolutely not. The law of diminishing marginal returns is in full effect here. But from a particularly lean base with excellent athleticism already on your side? It's absolutely possible to start off this quickly.

 

I agree, you have the most growth potential your first year of training and eating properly. Moreso if you've never touched a weight than if you've lifted in at least some manner.

[Magnetic Curses]

the most weight (not muscle) arnold gained in a year was 25 pounds. and he was a professional bodybuilder with incredible, incredible, mind-blowing genetics and a bunch of steroids.

 

eugenics

[scarey]

Are we struggling with semantics? Lean body mass isn't all muscle- lean body mass is everything but fat, right?

 

Splendid Splinter flat out said he didn't think it was all muscle.

 

"Granted I didn't gain '20 lbs of muscles'".

 

I (and I assume abuck) are talking about skeletal muscle, and that's what I don't see going up 20 pounds in 3 months for a 22 year old that's been (presumably) an athlete his whole life. That kind of growth would be amazing in a teenager that also grew a couple of inches taller during the same time.

 

Maybe I shouldn't let that wording aggravate me, but a 20 pound weight gain in 3 months - all muscle -would be the outliest of outliers.

 

Lean body mass is the left over after the body fat percentage. It would be disingenuous to say muscle mass. For example, if somebody had 10% body fat percentage, the other 90% isn't all muscle. It's muscle, bone, sinew, cartilage, organs, etc.

 

Believe it or not, part of the weight gain is actually due to an increase in bone mass. Weight bearing exercise has proven to increase bone density. However, I don't think the other components of lean body mass increased in weight. The majority of Splendid Splinter's weight gain here was due to increase in muscle mass.

[wade]

I can't convince anyone, so I won't try. If anyone is truly interested, I gave names of professionals that have written on this subject.

 

It is a very interesting topic, but I just won't do it justice, I'm afraid.