Cubs check in on Grienke

[Northside Blues]

Sure it is. FIP itself and xFIP isn't (so much), but the process of converting runs to wins is incredibly random and has very little year to year correlation - and most importantly very little accuracy. Also, it depends on which WAR you are using. If I am not mistaken, someone mentioned that Greinke's WAR last year was 5 something, someone else said 2 something. WAR from BR uses ERA (or RA not sure) and WAR from Fan Graphs uses FIP.

 

There is no unique WAR which adds another layer of confusion when there is only one FIP, one tRA, etc. You can use any run total you come up with, and then convert it to wins a hundred different ways. Like I said there's no sense in converting runs to wins. Especially the way fangraphs or anyone else out there does it. Converting runs to wins in a vacuum doesn't mean anything because removing players from those vacuums converts runs to wins in a different way, though hits, walks, etc still convert to runs in essentially the same way no matter if you remove the vacuum or not, so to speak.

 

Not to mention the way everyone defines replacement level pitchers is simply wrong.

[Dr. Cub]

What his WAR was is largely irrelevant. What his WAR will probably be is relevant. WAR for pitchers is nearly as volatile as ERA. Never mind it's inherent problems and the fact it's largely a useless metric for any discussion.

 

Well would you care to enlighten me to as to how we should evaluate pitchers then, and is it irrelevant or not? I know you meant past WAR being useless for evaluation versus somehow being able to determine what the WAR would be going forward. It's still talking in circles and adding nothing but you showing how caustic you can be without giving a real thought on the matter.

Because WAR is incredibly dependent on luck? And WAR itself doesn't measure wins or anything remotely close to it? Just stick with runs and your favorite FIP variant and you'll be a hundred fold more informed and better. Thanks again for insulting me for no reason. I guess I need to bump up my street cred and insult some of you guys.

 

 

Insulting you? Are you going to suggest you weren't being caustic, short, and condescending? Even this post with the question marks is condescending. How about you just write the statement as if I'm not a 7 year old that you've told it to 300 times and I still haven't listened.

 

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of it.

[Northside Blues]

Yes sir.