2010-2011 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Smack]

NBA = terrible product. The officiating is a joke. I think I watched my one and only regular season Bulls game for the year.

[SpongeWorthy]

Deng has been soft and will always be soft. Why can't he even try to be physical? One of the nails in the Bulls' coffin was the breakaway he had and decided to try a layup instead of going strong and dunking. If you go for the dunk they almost have to foul you, but Dent went for the layup and got it blocked.

 

Yeah that was classic Luol. The momentum really turned on the plays where Korver passed up a corner 3 and let the shot clock expire and Deng couldn't finish on that break.

 

Wasn't that after an in bounds play? How do you not know how much time is left on the clock?

 

Yes, yes it was.

[UMFan83]

Yeah Korver was awful. He could not get himself open.

 

But I guess that's a function of him being basically the only reliable 3 point shooter on your team.

 

Deng was awful shooting 3's tonight. Rose is basically hopeless at shooting 3's. I've completely given up on his claim that he has a very good 3 point shot now. If anything it's completely fucked up his shot as he didnt shoot all that great in the worlds, the preseason and now tonight. Most of his shots have looked flat.

[scarey]

I see everyone's primed for Deng hating. Mid season form. I'm looking forward to the bitching and moaning after he averages 18 and 7 again...

[SpongeWorthy]

Naw, I'm already calming down. Deng did a fine job on Durant for the most part.

 

And I know everyone loves Durant but some of his acting on the offensive end is shameful. He's like the Vlade Divac of offense. He seriously charged at least 5 times in that game but only got called for 2 and 3 of them were him flailing his freakishly long body into a defender with established position.

[Wilson A2000]

Yeah Korver was awful. He could not get himself open.

 

But I guess that's a function of him being basically the only reliable 3 point shooter on your team.

 

Deng was awful shooting 3's tonight. Rose is basically hopeless at shooting 3's. I've completely given up on his claim that he has a very good 3 point shot now. If anything it's completely [expletive] up his shot as he didnt shoot all that great in the worlds, the preseason and now tonight. Most of his shots have looked flat.

 

I would give Rose more than one game to prove that he has a three point shot. I only watched the end of the game, but I saw Korver get open and drain a bucket. He just has to do so much running around to get to that point. It takes forever. He reminded me of Hinrich in that regard.

[Wilson A2000]

I see everyone's primed for Deng hating. Mid season form. I'm looking forward to the bitching and moaning after he averages 18 and 7 again...

 

I hate on him only because he obviously has tons of talent, but doesn't do the little things to take his game to the next level. I hate potential to get wasted.

[UMFan83]

Korver was the one who stuck out as truly awful. Couldn't find a shot, terrible defense, ticky-tack fouls, played with his head up his butt.

 

The lack of 2nd or 3rd scoring options is going to be maddening (again). Gibson/Noah will get points off of offensive rebounds, but they aren't guys you design plays for.

 

[expletive] Boozer and his drunken broken hand.

 

That's exactly why you trade for Carmelo. You can always find a guy pretty similar to Noah. Rose is great, but he isn't the guy on a championship team.

 

Huh? Name 5 players that are over 6'11'' can give you 10/12 consistently every night, are above average passers, have a relentless motor and bring it every single night.

 

I would think there are many more players who can score and create a shot than there are players of Noah's style of play.

 

No doubt we need a 2nd scorer...I've been saying that all offseason. But it doesn't have to be Anthony. We might not get a player as good as Melo, but we can fill that 2nd option guy without having to give up Noah. It seems like those types of players are on the block every year. (to name a few Kevin Martin, Jason Richardson, Steven Jackson, Carmelo Anthony). Not as many in the Varajao, Noah, Camby mold are around to be picked up.

Edited October 28, 2010 by UMFan83

[scarey]

Naw, I'm already calming down. Deng did a fine job on Durant for the most part.

 

And I know everyone loves Durant but some of his acting on the offensive end is shameful. He's like the Vlade Divac of offense. He seriously charged at least 5 times in that game but only got called for 2 and 3 of them were him flailing his freakishly long body into a defender with established position.

 

Honestly, Deng deserved all the criticism tonight (although he did play good D and had some nice drives and dishes). It's just that I know most of the people criticizing him for this game are not really criticizing him for this game alone. He had a bad year 2 years ago, and I guess I was naive to think people would have a little more faith in him after a good year last year.

 

Watching him in the preseason, I saw him drawing fouls a LOT. He got to the line early tonight, but he missed his shots. If he shoots from the line as he normally does, he puts up 15 points in an extremely mediocre effort. We'll see better games from him IMO.

[Derwood]

seeing the team drive to the basket a ton but still get no foul calls was beyond frustrating. I feel like the post-Jordan Bulls have had the refs swallow the whistle more often than not. Hinrich was the king of driving the lane, getting thrown to the grown by 3 guys, and getting no calls, and now it's happening to Rose and everyone else.

[scarey]

Korver was the one who stuck out as truly awful. Couldn't find a shot, terrible defense, ticky-tack fouls, played with his head up his butt.

 

The lack of 2nd or 3rd scoring options is going to be maddening (again). Gibson/Noah will get points off of offensive rebounds, but they aren't guys you design plays for.

 

[expletive] Boozer and his drunken broken hand.

 

That's exactly why you trade for Carmelo. You can always find a guy pretty similar to Noah. Rose is great, but he isn't the guy on a championship team.

 

Huh? Name 5 players that are over 6'11'' can give you 10/12 consistently every night, have a relentless motor and bring it every single night.

 

I would think there are many more players who can score and create a shot than there are players of Noah's style of play.

 

People will appreciate Noah when Dwight Howard doesn't stomp on the Bulls for 40 points while using Scalabrine as anal floss all game.

[UMFan83]

Yeah Korver was awful. He could not get himself open.

 

But I guess that's a function of him being basically the only reliable 3 point shooter on your team.

 

Deng was awful shooting 3's tonight. Rose is basically hopeless at shooting 3's. I've completely given up on his claim that he has a very good 3 point shot now. If anything it's completely [expletive] up his shot as he didnt shoot all that great in the worlds, the preseason and now tonight. Most of his shots have looked flat.

 

I would give Rose more than one game to prove that he has a three point shot. I only watched the end of the game, but I saw Korver get open and drain a bucket. He just has to do so much running around to get to that point. It takes forever. He reminded me of Hinrich in that regard.

 

Well I am not basing it just on tonights game, but on the World Basketball Championships and the preseason where he bricked 3 after 3.

 

Korver got open on 1 play, but there were at least 4-5 possessions down the stretch where it was obvious the Bulls were looking to get Korver a shot and he couldnt get even an inch of space.

[Wilson A2000]

Korver was the one who stuck out as truly awful. Couldn't find a shot, terrible defense, ticky-tack fouls, played with his head up his butt.

 

The lack of 2nd or 3rd scoring options is going to be maddening (again). Gibson/Noah will get points off of offensive rebounds, but they aren't guys you design plays for.

 

[expletive] Boozer and his drunken broken hand.

 

That's exactly why you trade for Carmelo. You can always find a guy pretty similar to Noah. Rose is great, but he isn't the guy on a championship team.

 

Huh? Name 5 players that are over 6'11'' can give you 10/12 consistently every night, have a relentless motor and bring it every single night.

 

I would think there are many more players who can score and create a shot than there are players of Noah's style of play.

 

I looked at the TV and found a guy in 2 seconds. Chris Kaman. And Dwight Howard, Brook Lopez...

 

It is not just creating shots with Carmelo. He demands double teams and is a 1A guy. Rose is a 1B guy. You rarely win championships with the Detroit style team that won that doesn't have a 1A guy. Carmelo is a type 5 player in the league and you trade a guy who has never even made an All-Star team for him!

Edited October 28, 2010 by Wilson A2000

[scarey]

Yeah Korver was awful. He could not get himself open.

 

But I guess that's a function of him being basically the only reliable 3 point shooter on your team.

 

Deng was awful shooting 3's tonight. Rose is basically hopeless at shooting 3's. I've completely given up on his claim that he has a very good 3 point shot now. If anything it's completely [expletive] up his shot as he didnt shoot all that great in the worlds, the preseason and now tonight. Most of his shots have looked flat.

 

I would give Rose more than one game to prove that he has a three point shot. I only watched the end of the game, but I saw Korver get open and drain a bucket. He just has to do so much running around to get to that point. It takes forever. He reminded me of Hinrich in that regard.

 

Well I am not basing it just on tonights game, but on the World Basketball Championships and the preseason where he bricked 3 after 3.

 

Korver got open on 1 play, but there were at least 4-5 possessions down the stretch where it was obvious the Bulls were looking to get Korver a shot and he couldnt get even an inch of space.

 

 

Boozer will change that. Everyone on the floor for the Thunder were watching Korver and moving out of the way for Thabo. A double team on Boozer and Korver won't even need to run like that.

[SpongeWorthy]

Yeah, it was really obvious we were trying to run plays for Korver in the 4th quarter and OKC was ready for it. That stuff needs to be secondary action after Rose and Boozer when he gets back. But he really needs to keep playing because out of all the new guys he'll probably take the longest to incorporate well into the offense. Bogans is just a defense/spot shooter and Brewer is energy and slashing. Getting Korver involved will take repetition, practice, and game experience.

[17 Seconds]

I see everyone's primed for Deng hating. Mid season form. I'm looking forward to the bitching and moaning after he averages 18 and 7 again...

 

or we were hating on deng for his atrocious game

[scarey]

Korver was the one who stuck out as truly awful. Couldn't find a shot, terrible defense, ticky-tack fouls, played with his head up his butt.

 

The lack of 2nd or 3rd scoring options is going to be maddening (again). Gibson/Noah will get points off of offensive rebounds, but they aren't guys you design plays for.

 

[expletive] Boozer and his drunken broken hand.

 

That's exactly why you trade for Carmelo. You can always find a guy pretty similar to Noah. Rose is great, but he isn't the guy on a championship team.

 

Huh? Name 5 players that are over 6'11'' can give you 10/12 consistently every night, have a relentless motor and bring it every single night.

 

I would think there are many more players who can score and create a shot than there are players of Noah's style of play.

 

I looked at the TV and found a guy in 2 seconds. Chris Kaman. And Dwight Howard, Brook Lopez...

 

It is not just creating shots with Carmelo. He demands double teams and is a 1A guy. Rose is a 1B guy. You rarely win championships with the Detroit style team that won that doesn't have a 1A guy. Carmelo is a type 5 player in the league and you trade a guy who has never even made an All-Star team for him!

 

 

The problem here is you are looking at the stat sheet and making your decision based on nothing else. It's about match ups. If Noah is gone off this team, Boozer is forced to play center and Scalabrine gets a lot more floor time. The KGs, Bosh's and Howard's of the Eastern Conference would run wild on that. We can't just make Kaman appear out of thin air. There's a reason he's been a Clipper his entire career. Lopez isn't going anywhere either (I'm going to pretend you didn't list Howard because he's obviously in another world relative to these players).

[scarey]

I see everyone's primed for Deng hating. Mid season form. I'm looking forward to the bitching and moaning after he averages 18 and 7 again...

 

or we were hating on deng for his atrocious

 

What was the explanation in the off season after the season he had last year?

[Wilson A2000]

Obviously the Bulls would have needed to pick up a decent center in the offseason. I wanted Carmelo early in the offseason when a few FAs were available. But there are still going to be people who don't want Noah traded even if the Bulls found a decent center and I just don't understand that.

[17 Seconds]

I see everyone's primed for Deng hating. Mid season form. I'm looking forward to the bitching and moaning after he averages 18 and 7 again...

 

or we were hating on deng for his atrocious

 

What was the explanation in the off season after the season he had last year?

 

people think he's overpaid? i don't know

 

that's not the point. people in this thread were complaining about his bad game, and there's nothing wrong with that. he has a horrible game. nobody is saying deng is a bad player, even if you want to pretend we are.

[Sammy Sofa]

But there are still going to be people who don't want Noah traded even if the Bulls found a decent center and I just don't understand that.

 

No, you're being ridiculous. There's nobody here that wouldn't want Anthony if it meant that the Bulls were also able to pick up a decent center.

[17 Seconds]

Korver was the one who stuck out as truly awful. Couldn't find a shot, terrible defense, ticky-tack fouls, played with his head up his butt.

 

The lack of 2nd or 3rd scoring options is going to be maddening (again). Gibson/Noah will get points off of offensive rebounds, but they aren't guys you design plays for.

 

[expletive] Boozer and his drunken broken hand.

 

That's exactly why you trade for Carmelo. You can always find a guy pretty similar to Noah. Rose is great, but he isn't the guy on a championship team.

 

Huh? Name 5 players that are over 6'11'' can give you 10/12 consistently every night, have a relentless motor and bring it every single night.

 

I would think there are many more players who can score and create a shot than there are players of Noah's style of play.

 

I looked at the TV and found a guy in 2 seconds. Chris Kaman. And Dwight Howard, Brook Lopez...

 

Oh yea, because those guys are so easily gettable, right? And comparing Chris Kaman to Joakim Noah is a joke.

 

You said, "you can always find someone who is similar to Noah. Ok, so give us one guy similar to Noah that we'd have a realistic shot at getting if we traded for Melo. Just give us one.

 

Carmelo is a type 5 player in the league and you trade a guy who has never even made an All-Star team for him!

 

Ahh, the all-star argument. Always a sign of a person who has run out of quality arguments.

 

And Carmelo Anthony is not a top 5 player.

[scarey]

Obviously the Bulls would have needed to pick up a decent center in the offseason. I wanted Carmelo early in the offseason when a few FAs were available. But there are still going to be people who don't want Noah traded even if the Bulls found a decent center and I just don't understand that.

 

Meh, it's called homerism. Despite that, you need to understand that Noah brings more to the table than 10/12. Only about half the teams in the NBA have centers that can legitimately play the position both offensively and defensively. Noah is a very good defender, good enough offensively, runs the floor well, and can shoot free throws. That's a rarity in the NBA.

 

Yes, Melo is a rarity too, but I think the Bulls will get enough production from their team to make up for not having a superstar like Melo. I don't think they can fill the void that losing Noah would create.

[SpongeWorthy]

It's easier to find a reasonable facsimile of Noah (although not very easy and getting harder considering how good he's gotten) than it is to find one of Melo. Not necessarily in one offseason but over a number of years when you have the draft, MLEs, other trades, etc.

 

But we shall see, I honestly don't think scoring will be that big of a problem for this team with Boozer.

[scarey]

I see everyone's primed for Deng hating. Mid season form. I'm looking forward to the bitching and moaning after he averages 18 and 7 again...

 

or we were hating on deng for his atrocious

 

What was the explanation in the off season after the season he had last year?

 

people think he's overpaid? i don't know

 

that's not the point. people in this thread were complaining about his bad game, and there's nothing wrong with that. he has a horrible game. nobody is saying deng is a bad player, even if you want to pretend we are.

 

You're probably right. It's probably just coincidence that the criticism of Deng's bad game is prominent in this thread when half the team played a fundamentally flawed game and the biggest reasons for the loss was Rose's poor shot selection and turn overs down the stretch.