Yu Darvish

[Sammy Sofa]

Adam Dunn has never, and may never, make as much as Fukudome did last year.

 

....and I am not suggesting that is definitive proof but it does show what the market will bear.

 

In 2008, Dunn made $13 million. Kosuke made $13 mil last year. Dunn also made $12 mil last year.

 

If I was looking for an outfielder, I'd strongly consider Kosuke over Dunn because of defense. If I had an opening at first, where I could minimize Dunn's horrid defense, I'd take Dunn in a heartbeat.

 

The list I saw had Fukudome at 14M for last year - but the point really was do you consider them equivalent players? I don't (and I'm not nearly the Dunn fan that some are)

 

Lets pretend Fukudome is a FA this year. Is there a team anywhere on the planet that is going to offer him $14M or 12M or 10M...?

 

This type of comparison doesn't make any sense. They're significantly different in age with significantly different skill sets. Making the same or similar money doesn't make them similar players. And yes, I could easily see him being offered around $10 million a year after this contract.

[chopsx9]

This type of comparison doesn't make any sense. They're significantly different in age

There's 2 1/2 years difference in their ages thats well within the ball park.

with significantly different skill sets..

That's why were not comparing slash stats. There's a whole plethora of metrics out their specifically designed to compare players of different skill sets.

Making the same or similar money doesn't make them similar players.

I can't find anywhere where I suggested that was the case. My question was they make similar salaries are they of similar value?

And yes, I could easily see him being offered around $10 million a year after this contract.

Which is fair...I disagree...I'd bet he makes closer to Marlon Byrd money than he does 10M. (obviously assuming no dramatic changes)

[chopsx9]

Perceived value isn't the best way to determine a player's real value. Kosuke's overpaid, I think I've said that already, but not by that much. A .370-.400 OBP with a mid-.400s slugging plus good defense is plenty worth $10 mil a year or more.

 

Not to quibble but he's never sniffed the upper ends of those ranges. His career OBP is .368 and SLG is .410 - although it has gone up each year...still it's a little optimistic, I think, to use those ranges for him.

[Sammy Sofa]

This type of comparison doesn't make any sense. They're significantly different in age

There's 2 1/2 years difference in their ages thats well within the ball park.

with significantly different skill sets..

That's why were not comparing slash stats. There's a whole plethora of metrics out their specifically designed to compare players of different skill sets.

Making the same or similar money doesn't make them similar players.

I can't find anywhere where I suggested that was the case. My question was they make similar salaries are they of similar value?

And yes, I could easily see him being offered around $10 million a year after this contract.

Which is fair...I disagree...I'd bet he makes closer to Marlon Byrd money than he does 10M. (obviously assuming no dramatic changes)

 

I'm now completely baffled as to why you brought up Adam Dunn.

 

Fukudome's simply not significantly overpaid based on his production thus far.

[dew1679666265]

Perceived value isn't the best way to determine a player's real value. Kosuke's overpaid, I think I've said that already, but not by that much. A .370-.400 OBP with a mid-.400s slugging plus good defense is plenty worth $10 mil a year or more.

 

Not to quibble but he's never sniffed the upper ends of those ranges. His career OBP is .368 and SLG is .410 - although it has gone up each year...still it's a little optimistic, I think, to use those ranges for him.

 

My bad, I was going off memory and thought he had a higher OBP and SLG last year. Even still, replace .400 OBP with .375 and mid-.400s slugging with .438 and you have the same point. He gets on base a lot and slugs enough to make him very much worth $10 mil a year when you also include his good defense.