Cashner being moved to the bullpen and may be called up

[David]

Are you kidding me?

 

Just as he's dominating AA and AAA as a starter?

 

What a hideously stupid and desperate move.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/cashner-moves-to-bullpen-in-iowa.html

 

he Cubs moved top prospect Andrew Cashner to the bullpen for Thursday's game at Triple-A Iowa, fueling speculation he may be called up to fill Carlos Zambrano's vacancy in the bullpen next week.

 

Cashner allowed one unearned run on three hits in one inning against Salt Lake, striking out two. He will pitch one more inning Saturday before the Cubs decide what to do next. Jay Jackson, another starter who was switched to the bullpen, will move back into the Iowa rotation.

 

"The reasons are as follows," player development director Oneri Fleita said. "Jackson has had a chance he can throw out of the pen, and he did a great job. And now we'd like to know what Cashner can do out of the pen because these kids are young kids.

 

Photo: Top prospect Andrew Cashner is moving to a relief role at Triple-A Iowa. (Phil Velasquez/Tribune)

 

"They've pitched for two years and I'd hate to know that they (couldn't come) up here because we had a need for our bullpen."

 

Cashner, a first-round draft pick in 2008, was a closer at Texas Christian.

[Old Style]

He was a reliever in college and this move is not unprecedented. David Price came out of the bullpen for the Rays before moving to the rotation the following year.

[Sammy Sofa]

People have been vastly overstating how bad this move actually is.

[bcl412]

He was a reliever in college and this move is not unprecedented. David Price came out of the bullpen for the Rays before moving to the rotation the following year.

 

It's more so him coming out of the pen in the minors that's problematic. Especially when it would be nice for him to be building his arm strength up.

[David]

He was a reliever in college and this move is not unprecedented. David Price came out of the bullpen for the Rays before moving to the rotation the following year.

 

 

Except the Cubs are in the process of turning him into a starter, he's doing a damn good job, and now they're screwing with it for no good reason.

 

It's not like he has a well established history as a starter. He needs to keep doing it and keep being successful at it.

[David]

People have been vastly overstating how bad this move actually is.

 

Couldn't disagree more.

[Sammy Sofa]

How is this irreparably "screwing with" his development as a starter?

[Little Slide Rooter]

I just dont get it. First they convert J Jax to the pen, with the likely intention of calling him up as a reliever. Jax responds by dominting out of the pen, and not giving up a single run in his 2-3 weeks there. Now they decide to put him back in the rotation and convert Cashner. Im still confident that Cashner can go back to starting, probably as early as next year, but Im stil perplexed by the move as a whole.

[David]

How is this irreparably "screwing with" his development as a starter?

 

 

He's not getting any younger.

 

He'll be 24 when this season ends.

 

No matter how much you want to downplay it, it makes no sense to do this just as he's dominating as a starter. You can justify it all day and you can probably make a good enough case that it's "no big deal" or that it isn't that bad. But there is definitely no defending it as a good move. It's completely illogical and completely desperate.

 

At best, they're delaying his development to fill a hole on a team that isn't going anywhere in an attempt to save their jobs.

 

 

Or, better stated, the chances that this team is going anywhere, combined with the chances that this move is the quick fix they're going to hope it is, aren't nearly worth delaying his development.

Edited May 28, 2010 by David

[17 Seconds]

Cashner needs innings.

[davearm2]

People have been vastly overstating how bad this move actually is.

People vastly overstate how bad every move actually is. It's the NSBB way.

[David]

People have been vastly overstating how bad this move actually is.

People vastly overstate how bad every move actually is.

 

 

Give me a break. I never bitch about the Cubs' moves. I even was one of like two people who supported letting Kerry Wood go.

 

This move, however, is just horrific.

[David]

What an unbelievably (and intentionally) annoying edit.

[17 Seconds]

People have been vastly overstating how bad this move actually is.

People vastly overstate how bad every move actually is. It's the NSBB way.

 

Standard irrelevant post from davearm.

[davearm2]

How is this irreparably "screwing with" his development as a starter?

 

 

He's not getting any younger.

 

He'll be 24 when this season ends.

 

No matter how much you want to downplay it, it makes no sense to do this just as he's dominating as a starter. You can justify it all day and you can probably make a good enough case that it's "no big deal" or that it isn't that bad. But there is definitely no defending it as a good move. It's completely illogical and completely desperate.

 

At best, they're delaying his development to fill a hole on a team that isn't going anywhere in an attempt to save their jobs.

 

 

Or, better stated, the chances that this team are going anywhere (combined with the chances that this move is the quick fix they're going to hope it is) aren't nearly worth delaying his development.

If you ascribe to the theory that every pitcher has X number of pitches in his arm, then it makes complete sense that as many of those X pitches as possible be thrown to bigleague hitters rather than AAA hitters.

 

Presently there's no room in the bigleague rotation, but there is room in the bigleague bullpen.

 

It's pretty much the opposite of "completely illogical and completely desperate", actually.

[Sammy Sofa]

How is this irreparably "screwing with" his development as a starter?

 

 

He's not getting any younger.

 

He'll be 24 when this season ends.

 

No matter how much you want to downplay it, it makes no sense to do this just as he's dominating as a starter. You can justify it all day and you can probably make a good enough case that it's "no big deal" or that it isn't that bad. But there is definitely no defending it as a good move. It's completely illogical and completely desperate.

 

At best, they're delaying his development to fill a hole on a team that isn't going anywhere in an attempt to save their jobs.

 

 

Or, better stated, the chances that this team is going anywhere, combined with the chances that this move is the quick fix they're going to hope it is, aren't nearly worth delaying his development.

 

Depends on how much he's used out of the bullpen. If he ends up doing little besides sitting on the bench, yes, bad move. If he's used regularly, not necessarily.

[David]

If you ascribe to the theory that every pitcher has X number of pitches in his arm, then it makes complete sense that as many of those X pitches as possible be thrown to bigleague hitters rather than AAA hitters.

 

Presently there's no room in the bigleague rotation, but there is room in the bigleague bullpen.

 

It's pretty much the opposite of "completely illogical and completely desperate", actually.

 

 

 

Wow... if that isn't one of the best examples I've ever seen of pulling an argument out of your ass just to argue a crappy perspective... :-)) :-))

[davearm2]

People have been vastly overstating how bad this move actually is.

People vastly overstate how bad every move actually is. It's the NSBB way.

 

Standard irrelevant post from davearm.

Oh the irony.

[David]

Starters should just come up as relievers because they have a finite amount of pitches in their arms. :-)) :-))

[davearm2]

If you ascribe to the theory that every pitcher has X number of pitches in his arm, then it makes complete sense that as many of those X pitches as possible be thrown to bigleague hitters rather than AAA hitters.

 

Presently there's no room in the bigleague rotation, but there is room in the bigleague bullpen.

 

It's pretty much the opposite of "completely illogical and completely desperate", actually.

 

 

 

Wow... if that isn't one of the best examples I've ever seen of pulling an argument out of your ass just to argue a crappy perspective... :-)) :-))

Hey bud the wear and tear a guy puts on his arm is the same pitching in AAA as it is in MLB. If Cashner is ready to get bigleague hitters out, then keeping him in the minors is just wasting miles.

[NCCubFan]

Are you kidding me?

 

Just as he's dominating AA and AAA as a starter?

 

What a hideously stupid and desperate move.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/cashner-moves-to-bullpen-in-iowa.html

 

he Cubs moved top prospect Andrew Cashner to the bullpen for Thursday's game at Triple-A Iowa, fueling speculation he may be called up to fill Carlos Zambrano's vacancy in the bullpen next week.

 

Cashner allowed one unearned run on three hits in one inning against Salt Lake, striking out two. He will pitch one more inning Saturday before the Cubs decide what to do next. Jay Jackson, another starter who was switched to the bullpen, will move back into the Iowa rotation.

 

"The reasons are as follows," player development director Oneri Fleita said. "Jackson has had a chance he can throw out of the pen, and he did a great job. And now we'd like to know what Cashner can do out of the pen because these kids are young kids.

 

Photo: Top prospect Andrew Cashner is moving to a relief role at Triple-A Iowa. (Phil Velasquez/Tribune)

 

"They've pitched for two years and I'd hate to know that they (couldn't come) up here because we had a need for our bullpen."

 

Cashner, a first-round draft pick in 2008, was a closer at Texas Christian.

Except Zambrano won't be leaving a vacancy in the first place (unless there's a trade between now and then). Whoever loses his rotation spot to Zambrano will slide into the bullpen slot. So if Cashner is called up it would be to replace somebody else, not Zambrano.

[davearm2]

Starters should just come up as relievers because they have a finite amount of pitches in their arms. :-)) :-))

That comment doesn't speak very well of your ability to comprehend.

[17 Seconds]

If you ascribe to the theory that every pitcher has X number of pitches in his arm, then it makes complete sense that as many of those X pitches as possible be thrown to bigleague hitters rather than AAA hitters.

 

Presently there's no room in the bigleague rotation, but there is room in the bigleague bullpen.

 

It's pretty much the opposite of "completely illogical and completely desperate", actually.

 

 

 

Wow... if that isn't one of the best examples I've ever seen of pulling an argument out of your ass just to argue a crappy perspective... :-)) :-))

Hey bud the wear and tear a guy puts on his arm is the same pitching in AAA as it is in MLB. If Cashner is ready to get bigleague hitters out, then keeping him in the minors is just wasting miles.

 

Do you understand that if he wants to be a starter, his arm is going to need to be stretched out? Cashner only pitched 120 innings the last 2 seasons combined.

 

Cashner. needs. innings.

Edited May 28, 2010 by 17 Seconds

[SouthSideRyan]

You can bet that it's Stevens that goes down for him, and not crummy old Bob Howry.

[David]

In fact, the argument might make even less sense in Cashner's case, since they've been in the process of converting him from a reliever to a starter and, I'm guessing here, he probably has less wear and tear on his arm than your typical SP prospect.