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I'm not sure which one to post this in, so I just picked this one.

 

Arizona is considered a hitter's league, correct? How about Hawaii and Venezuela?

 

Part of the reason the AFL is considered a hitter's league is because not too many great pitching prospects get sent there to protect their arms. The same is the case for the HWB so I imagine it's more of a hitter's league.

 

Thus far this year, the HWB has a 4.85 league-wide ERA, the AFL has a 4.55 league-wide ERA.

 

It's tougher to gauge the foreign winter leagues because veteran players come and go but good pitchers are protected there too.

 

I see, thanks. I'm just starting to follow the minor leagues and stuff, so was wondering what perspective I should put on the numbers you are posting.

 

Well, the HWB is generally considered around the level of high-A baseball, so none of the numbers thus far are good news at all.

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I'm not sure which one to post this in, so I just picked this one.

 

Arizona is considered a hitter's league, correct? How about Hawaii and Venezuela?

 

Part of the reason the AFL is considered a hitter's league is because not too many great pitching prospects get sent there to protect their arms. The same is the case for the HWB so I imagine it's more of a hitter's league.

 

Thus far this year, the HWB has a 4.85 league-wide ERA, the AFL has a 4.55 league-wide ERA.

 

It's tougher to gauge the foreign winter leagues because veteran players come and go but good pitchers are protected there too.

 

I see, thanks. I'm just starting to follow the minor leagues and stuff, so was wondering what perspective I should put on the numbers you are posting.

 

Well, the HWB is generally considered around the level of high-A baseball, so none of the numbers thus far are good news at all.

 

That much I knew. ;)

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10/16: Waikiki lost 7-4 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 2/5, 2 R, 2 3B (2), 3 K - tripled in each of first 2 at bats, struck out in last 3

RP B. Parker 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K, 2 GO-1 FO

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 9/49, 2 2B, 1 HR, 15 K, 2 BB, 3 E - .184/.216/.286/.502

Tony Thomas: 6/35, 1 2B, 2 3B, 10 K, 2 BB, 1 HBP, 0/1 CS, 3 E - .171/.237/.314/.551

Jeremy Papelbon: 7.2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 11 K, 7 GO-4 FO - 4.69 ERA

Blake Parker: 7.1 IP, 9 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 11 GO-5 FO - 4.91 ERA

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10/17: Waikiki won 8-1 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 1/4, R, 2B (2), 2 RBI, BB, K, SB (1)

3B M. Smith 0/2, R, HBP

RP J. Papelbon 1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K, balk

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 9/51, 2 2B, 1 HR, 15 K, 2 BB, 1 HBP, 3 E - .176/.222/.275/.497

Tony Thomas: 7/39, 2 2B, 2 3B, 11 K, 3 BB, 1 HBP, 1/2 CS, 3 E - .179/.238/.333/.571

Jeremy Papelbon: 9 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 15 K, 7 GO-4 FO - 4.00 ERA

Blake Parker: 7.1 IP, 9 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 11 GO-5 FO - 4.91 ERA

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10/18: Waikiki lost 7-2 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 2/4, R, 2B (3)

3B M. Smith 0/4, K

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 9/55, 2 2B, 1 HR, 16 K, 2 BB, 2 HBP, 3 E - .164/.220/.255/.475

Tony Thomas: 9/43, 3 2B, 2 3B, 11 K, 3 BB, 1 HBP, 1/2 CS, 3 E - .209/.277/.372/.649

Jeremy Papelbon: 9 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 15 K, 7 GO-4 FO - 4.00 ERA

Blake Parker: 7.1 IP, 9 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 11 GO-5 FO - 4.91 ERA

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10/19: Waikiki lost 2-0 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 1/3, 3B (3), BB

3B M. Smith 0/3, K

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 9/58, 2 2B, 1 HR, 17 K, 2 BB, 2 HBP, 3 E - .155/.210/.241/.451

Tony Thomas: 10/46, 3 2B, 3 3B, 11 K, 4 BB, 1 HBP, 1/2 CS, 3 E - .217/.294/.413/.707

Jeremy Papelbon: 9 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 15 K, 7 GO-4 FO - 4.00 ERA

Blake Parker: 7.1 IP, 9 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 11 GO-5 FO - 4.91 ERA

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10/21: Waikiki won 8-5 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 2/4, 2 R, 3B (4), HBP, CS (2)

3B M. Smith 1/4, R, 2B (3), K, E (5, fielding)

RP J. Papelbon 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K, 2 GO-1 FO

 

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Marquez Smith 10/62, 3 2B, 1 HR, 18 K, 2 BB, 2 HBP, 5 E - .161/.212/.258/.470

Tony Thomas: 12/50, 3 2B, 4 3B, 11 K, 4 BB, 2 HBP, 1/3 CS, 3 E - .240/.321/.460/.781

Jeremy Papelbon: 10 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 15 K, 9 GO-5 FO - 3.60 ERA

Blake Parker: 7.1 IP, 9 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 11 GO-5 FO - 4.91 ERA

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10/22: Waikiki won 9-8 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 0/4, K

3B M. Smith 1/2, 2 R, 2B (4), 2 RBI, 2 BB, E (6, fielding)

RP B. Parker 1.1 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 1 HR, WP, 0 GO-2 FO

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 11/64, 4 2B, 1 HR, 18 K, 4 BB, 2 HBP, 6 E - .172/.243/.281/.524

Tony Thomas: 12/54, 3 2B, 4 3B, 12 K, 4 BB, 2 HBP, 1/3 CS, 3 E - .222/.300/.426/.726

Jeremy Papelbon: 10 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 15 K, 9 GO-5 FO - 3.60 ERA

Blake Parker: 8.2 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 10 K, 11 GO-7 FO - 5.19 ERA

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10/24: Waikiki won 10-3 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 0/6, 2 K

3B M. Smith 1/5, 2 R, HR (2), RBI, 2 K

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 12/69, 4 2B, 2 HR, 20 K, 4 BB, 2 HBP, 6 E - .174/.240/.319/.559

Tony Thomas: 12/60, 3 2B, 4 3B, 15 K, 4 BB, 2 HBP, 1/3 CS, 3 E - .200/.273/.383/.656

Jeremy Papelbon: 10 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 15 K, 9 GO-5 FO - 3.60 ERA

Blake Parker: 8.2 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 10 K, 11 GO-7 FO - 5.19 ERA

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10/28: Waikiki won 12-9 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 1/4, R, 3B (5), 2 RBI, 2 BB, K

3B M. Smith 0/2, 2 R, 3 BB, 1 K

RP J. Papelbon 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K, 0 GO-1 FO

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 12/71, 4 2B, 2 HR, 21 K, 7 BB, 2 HBP, 6 E - .169/.263/.310/.573

Tony Thomas: 13/64, 3 2B, 5 3B, 16 K, 6 BB, 2 HBP, 1/3 CS, 3 E - .203/.292/.406/.698

Jeremy Papelbon: 10.1 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 15 K, 9 GO-6 FO - 3.48 ERA

Blake Parker: 8.2 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 10 K, 11 GO-7 FO - 5.19 ERA

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10/29: Waikiki won 9-0 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 2/6, R, 2B (4)

3B M. Smith 0/3, R, 2 BB, K

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 12/74, 4 2B, 2 HR, 22 K, 9 BB, 2 HBP, 6 E - .162/.271/.297/.568

Tony Thomas: 15/70, 4 2B, 5 3B, 16 K, 6 BB, 2 HBP, 1/3 CS, 3 E - .214/.295/.414/.709

Jeremy Papelbon: 10.1 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 15 K, 9 GO-6 FO - 3.48 ERA

Blake Parker: 8.2 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 10 K, 11 GO-7 FO - 5.19 ERA

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10/30: Waikiki won 5-2 Box Score

 

SS T. Thomas 0/4, 4 K, SB (2) - holy crap (shortstop!?)

3B M. Smith 1/4, 2 K

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 13/78, 4 2B, 2 HR, 24 K, 9 BB, 2 HBP, 6 E - .167/.270/.295/.565

Tony Thomas: 15/74, 4 2B, 5 3B, 20 K, 6 BB, 2 HBP, 2/4 SB, 3 E - .203/.280/.391/.671

Jeremy Papelbon: 10.1 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 6 BB, 15 K, 9 GO-6 FO - 3.48 ERA

Blake Parker: 8.2 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 10 K, 11 GO-7 FO - 5.19 ERA

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10/31: Waikiki won 3-2 (7 innings) Box Score

 

3B M. Smith 1/3, E (7, fielding)

RP B. Parker 1.2 IP, 1 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, HR, 2 GO-1 FO

RP J. Papelbon 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0, R, 1 BB, 0 K, 0 GO-1 FO

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 14/81, 4 2B, 2 HR, 24 K, 9 BB, 2 HBP, 7 E - .173/.272/.296/.568

Tony Thomas: 15/74, 4 2B, 5 3B, 20 K, 6 BB, 2 HBP, 2/4 SB, 3 E - .203/.280/.391/.671

Jeremy Papelbon: 10.2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 7 BB, 15 K, 9 GO-7 FO - 3.38 ERA

Blake Parker: 10.1 IP, 11 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 12 K, 13 GO-8 FO - 5.23 ERA

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11/1: Waikiki lost 13-8 Box Score

 

SS T. Thomas 2/4, 2 R, BB, SB (3) - shortstop again!?

3B M. Smith 1/4, BB, 2 K

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 15/85, 4 2B, 2 HR, 26 K, 10 BB, 2 HBP, 7 E - .176/.278/.294/.572

Tony Thomas: 17/78, 4 2B, 5 3B, 20 K, 7 BB, 2 HBP, 3/5 SB, 3 E - .218/.299/.397/.696

Jeremy Papelbon: 10.2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 7 BB, 15 K, 9 GO-7 FO - 3.38 ERA

Blake Parker: 10.1 IP, 11 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 12 K, 13 GO-8 FO - 5.23 ERA

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11/2: Waikiki won 6-5 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 2/5, R, HR (1), RBI

3B M. Smith 1/4, R, HR (3), RBI, 2 K

 

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Marquez Smith 16/89, 4 2B, 3 HR, 28 K, 10 BB, 2 HBP, 7 E - .180/.277/.326/.603

Tony Thomas: 19/83, 4 2B, 5 3B, 1 HR, 20 K, 7 BB, 2 HBP, 3/5 SB, 3 E - .229/.304/.434/.738

Jeremy Papelbon: 10.2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 7 BB, 15 K, 9 GO-7 FO - 3.38 ERA

Blake Parker: 10.1 IP, 11 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 12 K, 13 GO-8 FO - 5.23 ERA

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11/4: Waikiki won 8-6 Box Score

 

SS T. Thomas 3/5, R, HR (2), RBI, K

3B M. Smith 1/4, R, 3B (1), K

RP B. Parker 1 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, WP, 1 GO-1 FO

RP J. Papelbon 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K, 0 GO-3 FO

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith 17/93, 4 2B, 1 3B, 3 HR, 29 K, 10 BB, 2 HBP, 7 E - .183/.276/.344/.620

Tony Thomas: 22/88, 4 2B, 5 3B, 2 HR, 21 K, 7 BB, 2 HBP, 3/5 SB, 3 E - .250/.320/.477/.797

Jeremy Papelbon: 11.2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 7 BB, 15 K, 9 GO-10 FO - 3.09 ERA

Blake Parker: 11.1 IP, 12 H, 7 ER, 4 BB, 13 K, 1 WP, 14 GO-9 FO - 5.56 ERA

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11/5: Waikiki lost 11-1 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 2/4, 2B (5), BB, 2 K

3B M. Smith 1/4, K, E (8, throw)

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith: 18/97, 4 2B, 1 3B, 3 HR, 30 K, 10 BB, 2 HBP, 8 E - .186/.275/.340/.615

Tony Thomas: 24/92, 5 2B, 5 3B, 2 HR, 23 K, 8 BB, 2 HBP, 3/5 SB, 3 E - .261/.333/.489/.822

Jeremy Papelbon: 11.2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 7 BB, 15 K, 9 GO-10 FO - 3.09 ERA

Blake Parker: 11.1 IP, 12 H, 7 ER, 4 BB, 13 K, 1 WP, 14 GO-9 FO - 5.56 ERA

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11/7: Waikiki won 2-0 Box Score

 

SS T. Thomas 1/4, R, 3B (6), RBI

3B M. Smith 0/2, BB

RP J. Papelbon 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 GO-1 FO

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith: 18/99, 4 2B, 1 3B, 3 HR, 30 K, 11 BB, 2 HBP, 8 E - .182/.277/.333/.610

Tony Thomas: 25/96, 5 2B, 6 3B, 2 HR, 23 K, 8 BB, 2 HBP, 3/5 SB, 3 E - .260/.330/.500/.830

Jeremy Papelbon: 12.2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 88 BB, 16 K, 10 GO-11 FO - 2.84 ERA

Blake Parker: 11.1 IP, 12 H, 7 ER, 4 BB, 13 K, 1 WP, 14 GO-9 FO - 5.56 ERA

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11/8: Waikiki lost 4-1 Box Score

 

SS T. Thomas 1/4, 2 K, CS (3)

3B M. Smith 1/4, K

RP B. Parker 2 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 1 WP, 0 GO-4 FO

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith: 19/103, 4 2B, 1 3B, 3 HR, 31 K, 11 BB, 2 HBP, 8 E - .184/.276/.330/.606

Tony Thomas: 26/100, 5 2B, 6 3B, 2 HR, 23 K, 8 BB, 2 HBP, 3/5 SB, 3 E - .260/.327/.490/.817

Jeremy Papelbon: 12.2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 88 BB, 16 K, 10 GO-11 FO - 2.84 ERA

Blake Parker: 12.1 IP, 15 H, 8 ER, 4 BB, 15 K, 2 WP, 14 GO-13 FO - 5.84 ERA

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11/9: Waikiki lost 4-1 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 0/4, 2 K, E (4, throw)

3B M. Smith 1/2, BB

 

Overall:

 

Marquez Smith: 20/105, 4 2B, 1 3B, 3 HR, 31 K, 12 BB, 2 HBP, 8 E - .190/.286/.333/.619

Tony Thomas: 26/104, 5 2B, 6 3B, 2 HR, 25 K, 8 BB, 2 HBP, 3/5 SB, 4 E - .250/.316/.471/.787

Jeremy Papelbon: 12.2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 8 BB, 16 K, 10 GO-11 FO - 2.84 ERA

Blake Parker: 12.1 IP, 15 H, 8 ER, 4 BB, 15 K, 2 WP, 14 GO-13 FO - 5.84 ERA

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