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amazing what one injury can do to a guy like Gagne

 

Did his steroids suffer an injury?

 

if only steroids hadn't caused him to need TJS

 

How long ago did he have it? Guys come back rom TJS all the time.

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amazing what one injury can do to a guy like Gagne

 

Did his steroids suffer an injury?

 

if only steroids hadn't caused him to need TJS

 

How long ago did he have it? Guys come back rom TJS all the time.

 

had it in 2005 and was out all of 2006. He's never been the same. We're talking about a guy who had over 150 saves over 3 seasons, a Cy Young, etc. The guy was unhittable.

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amazing what one injury can do to a guy like Gagne

 

Did his steroids suffer an injury?

 

if only steroids hadn't caused him to need TJS

 

How long ago did he have it? Guys come back rom TJS all the time.

 

had it in 2005 and was out all of 2006. He's never been the same. We're talking about a guy who had over 150 saves over 3 seasons, a Cy Young, etc. The guy was unhittable.

 

So? Nobody is arguing that he was amazing. We're arguing what has caused his decline. Since he's a known roider I don't think it's unfair to suspect that it's the lack of juice, especially when guys come back strong from TJS on a regular basis.

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amazing what one injury can do to a guy like Gagne

 

Did his steroids suffer an injury?

 

if only steroids hadn't caused him to need TJS

 

How long ago did he have it? Guys come back rom TJS all the time.

 

had it in 2005 and was out all of 2006. He's never been the same. We're talking about a guy who had over 150 saves over 3 seasons, a Cy Young, etc. The guy was unhittable.

 

I'm not generally down with the mud slinging regarding steroids, but hasn't the accusation/innuendo been that he used roids to get to where he was as a closer? And his breakdown and injuries occured when he stopped? Not saying that is the case at all. Just questioning how this argument as been framed.

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amazing what one injury can do to a guy like Gagne

 

Did his steroids suffer an injury?

 

if only steroids hadn't caused him to need TJS

 

How long ago did he have it? Guys come back rom TJS all the time.

 

had it in 2005 and was out all of 2006. He's never been the same. We're talking about a guy who had over 150 saves over 3 seasons, a Cy Young, etc. The guy was unhittable.

 

So? Nobody is arguing that he was amazing. We're arguing what has caused his decline. Since he's a known roider I don't think it's unfair to suspect that it's the lack of juice, especially when guys come back strong from TJS on a regular basis.

 

 

Ah, right, his was one of the names dropped. Forgot about that.

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The Brewers have been looking a lot like us....what hard hit ball they do get get caught...other team eeking out weak hits (yes I know we actually got a flat out ass kicking today)

 

 

Guess that's what it looks like when a good team slumps.

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amazing what one injury can do to a guy like Gagne

 

Did his steroids suffer an injury?

 

if only steroids hadn't caused him to need TJS

 

How long ago did he have it? Guys come back rom TJS all the time.

 

had it in 2005 and was out all of 2006. He's never been the same. We're talking about a guy who had over 150 saves over 3 seasons, a Cy Young, etc. The guy was unhittable.

 

So? Nobody is arguing that he was amazing. We're arguing what has caused his decline. Since he's a known roider I don't think it's unfair to suspect that it's the lack of juice, especially when guys come back strong from TJS on a regular basis.

 

 

Ah, right, his was one of the names dropped. Forgot about that.

 

Wasn't there lots of speculation about that even before his name was dropped?

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