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Rk Rank Name

1. 1.8 Alex Rodriguez

2. 3.7 Hanley Ramirez

3. 4.2 Johan Santana

4. 5.2 Albert Pujols

5. 6.7 Ryan Braun

6. 8.2 David Wright

7. 8.3 Matt Holliday

8. 9.5 Victor Martinez

9. 10.2 Jake Peavy

10. 12.5 Ryan Howard

11. 12.5 Jose Reyes

12. 12.8 David Ortiz

13. 14.3 Chase Utley

14. 18.5 Miguel Cabrera

15. 18.7 Alfonso Soriano

16. 19.0 Jimmy Rollins

17. 20.8 Vladimir Guerrero

18. 23.0 John Smoltz

19. 25.8 Brandon Webb

20. 25.8 Russell Martin

21. 27.7 Prince Fielder

22. 27.8 Corey Hart

23. 31.5 Grady Sizemore

24. 32.7 Pedro Martinez

25. 36.2 Joe Mauer

26. 38.7 Cole Hamels

27. 39.2 Derek Jeter

28. 41.0 Francisco Liriano

29. 41.7 Troy Tulowitzki

30. 41.7 Mark Teixeira

31. 41.7 BJ Upton

32. 43.3 Brian McCann

33. 45.3 Carl Crawford

34. 46.8 Josh Beckett

35. 47.0 Carlos Lee

36. 47.8 Derrek Lee

37. 48.7 Chipper Jones

38. 49.0 Roy Halladay

39. 49.3 Matt Kemp

40. 49.7 Chris Young

41. 49.7 Ian Kinsler

42. 50.5 Roy Oswalt

43. 50.8 Magglio Ordonez

44. 51.0 Carlos Beltran

45. 52.7 Chris Young

46. 54.2 CC Sabathia

47. 58.3 Manny Ramirez

48. 60.5 Rich Harden

49. 60.8 Robinson Cano

50. 61.0 Joe Nathan

51. 61.2 Brian Roberts

52. 61.7 Erik Bedard

53. 63.0 Jorge Posada

54. 64.2 Daisuke Matsuzaka

55. 64.8 Gary Sheffield

56. 65.7 Rickie Weeks

57. 66.0 Kelly Johnson

58. 69.0 Rich Hill

59. 69.8 Aaron Harang

60. 70.3 Bobby Abreu

61. 71.5 Jonathan Papelbon

62. 71.5 Lance Berkman

63. 73.0 Tim Lincecum

64. 74.7 Travis Hafner

65. 74.8 Hideki Matsui

66. 75.8 Adam Dunn

67. 76.0 Yovani Gallardo

68. 76.0 Curtis Granderson

69. 76.2 Billy Wagner

70. 76.7 Dan Haren

71. 77.3 Javier Vazquez

72. 77.5 Todd Helton

73. 77.7 Carlos Zambrano

74. 78.2 Carlos Guillen

75. 79.0 Mike Napoli

76. 80.8 JJ Putz

77. 81.8 Matt Cain

78. 83.7 Justin Verlander

79. 85.0 Nick Markakis

80. 85.2 Mariano Rivera

81. 86.2 Brandon Phillips

82. 87.0 Willy Taveras

83. 87.2 Francisco Rodriguez

84. 88.3 AJ Burnett

85. 88.3 Howie Kendrick

86. 89.0 John Lackey

87. 90.2 Shane Victorino

88. 91.5 Torii Hunter

89. 92.2 Jim Thome

90. 93.0 Chone Figgins

91. 93.8 Johnny Damon

92. 94.5 Alex Rios

93. 95.7 Garrett Atkins

94. 96.3 Scott Kazmir

95. 96.5 Dan Uggla

96. 97.0 Eric Byrnes

97. 99.8 Takashi Saito

98. 100.5 Geovany Soto

99. 101.7 Rafael Furcal

100. 104.3 Brad Hawpe

101. 105.0 Miguel Tejada

102. 107.2 Huston Street

103. 109.0 Nick Swisher

104. 110.0 Ichiro Suzuki

105. 111.8 Placido Polanco

106. 114.3 Ben Sheets

107. 114.3 Hunter Pence

108. 115.2 Randy Johnson

109. 115.3 Michael Young

110. 116.3 Aramis Ramirez

111. 117.2 Jeff Kent

112. 117.3 Jered Weaver

113. 118.0 Rocco Baldelli

114. 119.8 Rafael Soriano

115. 120.0 Jhonny Peralta

116. 120.2 JR Towles

117. 120.8 Francisco Cordero

118. 124.7 Felix Hernandez

119. 126.0 Justin Morneau

120. 126.8 Ryan Zimmerman

121. 128.2 Jason Bay

122. 130.2 Joakim Soria

123. 131.2 Carlos Pena

124. 131.5 Brett Myers

125. 132.5 Andruw Jones

126. 133.0 Adrian Gonzalez

127. 135.7 Jose Valverde

128. 135.7 Curt Schilling

129. 136.0 Kosuke Fukudome

130. 138.0 Tim Hudson

131. 138.3 Matt Capps

132. 139.0 Barry Zito

133. 140.3 Yunel Escobar

134. 141.3 Bobby Jenks

135. 141.3 Fausto Carmona

136. 142.2 Eric Gagne

137. 145.0 Mark Reynolds

138. 145.5 JJ Hardy

139. 146.0 Lastings Milledge

140. 147.5 Kenji Johjima

141. 149.5 Trevor Hoffman

142. 149.5 Philip Hughes

143. 149.5 Jermaine Dye

144. 149.7 Derek Lowe

145. 152.8 Greg Maddux

146. 153.7 John Maine

147. 154.3 Brad Lidge

148. 155.3 Ted Lilly

149. 157.7 Kevin Slowey

150. 157.8 Kevin Youkilis

151. 158.3 Edwin Encarnacion

152. 159.2 Alexei Ramirez

153. 160.0 James Shields

154. 160.5 Paul Konerko

155. 162.8 Chad Billingsley

156. 163.3 Kelvim Escobar

157. 163.7 Jeremy Bonderman

158. 165.2 Carlos Ruiz

159. 168.0 Pat Burrell

160. 168.7 BJ Ryan

161. 169.7 Paul Lo Duca

162. 170.7 Ivan Rodriguez

163. 171.8 Chad Cordero

164. 172.3 Conor Jackson

165. 174.2 Hiroki Kuroda

166. 174.7 Manny Corpas

167. 178.8 Jonathan Broxton

168. 182.5 Jeff Francoeur

169. 183.3 Andy Pettitte

170. 183.7 Josh Hamilton

171. 184.2 Brad Penny

172. 184.2 Freddy Sanchez

173. 184.7 Rafael Betancourt

174. 184.7 Tadahito Iguchi

175. 189.2 Orlando Cabrera

176. 192.7 Chuck James

177. 193.7 Dustin Mcgowan

178. 194.2 Joe Blanton

179. 194.5 Carlos Delgado

180. 195.2 Luis Castillo

181. 196.3 Juan Pierre

182. 197.0 Jason Schmidt

183. 197.5 Bronson Arroyo

184. 197.7 Jeremy Accardo

185. 198.3 Bob Howry

186. 200.3 Adrian Beltre

187. 201.5 Jason Varitek

188. 202.2 Orlando Hudson

189. 205.0 Oliver Perez

190. 206.0 Orlando Hernandez

191. 206.8 Mike Mussina

192. 207.3 Adam Laroche

193. 207.8 Troy Percival

194. 210.0 Joba Chamberlain

195. 210.2 Ian Snell

196. 211.2 Troy Glaus

197. 212.2 Tom Gorzelanny

198. 212.8 Edgar Renteria

199. 213.3 Adam Wainwright

200. 213.5 Aaron Rowand

201. 213.8 Mark Prior

202. 214.8 Kevin Kouzmanoff

203. 216.7 Mike Cameron

204. 216.7 Billy Butler

205. 217.3 Luke Scott

206. 218.7 Heath Bell

207. 218.8 Bengie Molina

208. 219.2 Aaron Heilman

209. 219.2 Dave Bush

210. 219.3 Frank Thomas

211. 219.8 Jason Isringhausen

212. 220.3 Vernon Wells

213. 220.8 Carlos Villanueva

214. 220.8 Marlon Byrd

215. 221.3 Jose Guillen

216. 221.5 Ramon Hernandez

217. 223.5 Ryan Doumit

218. 224.3 Mark Teahen

219. 224.5 AJ Pierzynski

220. 225.0 Joe Borowski

221. 225.8 Stephen Drew

222. 227.0 Felix Pie

223. 227.7 Jeremy Hermida

224. 227.8 Ronny Paulino

225. 228.3 Josh Bard

226. 229.2 Delmon Young

227. 229.3 Scot Shields

228. 230.5 Mark Ellis

229. 231.0 Kevin Gregg

230. 231.3 Scott Baker

231. 231.7 Geoff Jenkins

232. 232.0 Garret Anderson

233. 233.0 Josh Willingham

234. 235.2 Chien Ming Wang

235. 236.2 Dustin Pedroia

236. 236.5 Brian Wilson

237. 236.7 Travis Buck

238. 237.3 George Sherrill

239. 237.8 Ken Griffey

240. 238.7 Khalil Greene

241. 239.2 Mike Jacobs

242. 241.5 Chris Duncan

243. 242.5 James Loney

244. 243.3 Shawn Hill

245. 245.5 Bill Hall

246. 247.0 Hank Blalock

247. 247.5 Dave Roberts

248. 248.0 Matt Diaz

249. 248.5 Anthony Reyes

250. 249.7 Alex Gordon

251. 252.0 Brian Fuentes

252. 252.3 Milton Bradley

253. 253.2 Matt Garza

254. 254.5 Zack Greinke

255. 254.5 Julio Lugo

256. 254.8 David DeJesus

257. 255.8 Kevin Millwood

258. 255.8 Brendan Harris

259. 256.3 JD Drew

260. 256.5 David Dellucci

261. 257.7 Eric Chavez

262. 257.8 Ryan Garko

263. 259.0 Yorvit Torrealba

264. 259.7 Hideki Okajima

265. 259.7 Dontrelle Willis

266. 261.8 Michael Bourn

267. 262.8 Chris Snyder

268. 263.5 Randy Winn

269. 263.8 Shaun Marcum

270. 264.2 David Ross

271. 264.8 Chris Carpenter

272. 265.5 Kevin Correia

273. 265.5 Todd Jones

274. 266.7 Justin Duchscherer

275. 268.7 Jeff Francis

276. 269.5 Aaron Hill

277. 272.3 Wily Mo Pena

278. 273.7 Kerry Wood

279. 273.7 Cliff Floyd

280. 274.7 Kurt Suzuki

281. 275.8 Asdrubal Cabrera

282. 276.0 Jon Garland

283. 278.2 CJ Wilson

284. 278.3 Tim Wakefield

285. 278.3 Michael Cuddyer

286. 279.2 Ian Kennedy

287. 279.8 Mike Lowell

288. 281.2 Mark Grudzielanek

289. 284.5 Kazuo Matsui

290. 284.8 Rick Ankiel

291. 285.0 Nate Robertson

292. 287.2 Chris Denorfia

293. 287.7 Ryan Church

294. 288.2 Andy Sonnanstine

295. 288.3 Brandon Lyon

296. 290.5 Carlos Marmol

297. 290.8 Chad Gaudin

298. 292.0 Melky Cabrera

299. 292.2 Moises Alou

300. 292.7 Carlos Gomez

301. 295.3 John Buck

302. 296.0 Jason Hirsh

303. 296.0 Gregg Zaun

304. 298.3 Randy Wolf

305. 298.5 Tony Pena

306. 301.7 Jason Bergmann

307. 302.8 Adam Jones

308. 303.7 Raul Ibanez

309. 303.8 Ervin Santana

310. 304.8 Gil Meche

311. 304.8 Mark Buehrle

312. 306.2 David Eckstein

313. 306.7 Jamie Moyer

314. 307.3 Jake Westbrook

315. 310.3 Scott Rolen

316. 311.5 Kenny Rogers

317. 311.8 Jim Edmonds

318. 312.5 Clay Buchholz

319. 313.3 John Patterson

320. 314.2 Evan Longoria

321. 314.7 Gary Matthews

322. 315.2 Micah Owings

323. 316.3 Jesse Litsch

324. 316.5 Yuniesky Betancourt

325. 316.7 Ronny Cedeno

326. 317.2 Casey Kotchman

327. 319.5 Matt Clement

328. 320.7 Ryan Theriot

329. 321.3 Jayson Nix

330. 323.8 Boof Bonser

331. 324.5 Daniel Cabrera

332. 327.2 Brandon McCarthy

333. 327.7 Jarrod Saltalamacchia

334. 328.3 Brian Giles

335. 329.2 Jay Payton

336. 329.2 Ryan Freel

337. 330.0 Wandy Rodriguez

338. 331.5 Dioner Navarro

339. 331.7 Aubrey Huff

340. 333.3 Jarrod Washburn

341. 338.5 Jose Contreras

342. 338.7 Xavier Nady

343. 339.5 Andrew Miller

344. 340.0 Brian Bannister

345. 340.7 Jason Bartlett

346. 341.2 Noah Lowry

347. 343.8 Joe Saunders

348. 344.0 Braden Looper

349. 344.0 Carlos Quentin

350. 345.5 Matt Belisle

351. 345.5 Yadier Molina

352. 345.8 Ross Gload

353. 346.0 Ricky Nolasco

354. 350.2 Jose Vidro

355. 350.3 Ray Durham

356. 350.5 Nate Mclouth

357. 350.8 Tom Glavine

358. 351.8 Melvin Mora

359. 353.7 Jason Kendall

360. 355.2 Jacoby Ellsbury

361. 355.3 Edinson Volquez

362. 356.0 Austin Kearns

363. 356.7 Jack Cust

364. 357.8 Doug Davis

365. 359.0 Matt Morris

366. 359.8 Scott Olsen

367. 360.8 Aaron Laffey

368. 362.2 Mike Rabelo

369. 362.2 Mark DeRosa

370. 362.5 Ben Broussard

371. 363.7 Esteban Loaiza

372. 363.7 Ty Wigginton

373. 365.0 Mike Pelfrey

374. 366.5 Jon Lieber

375. 367.8 Lyle Overbay

376. 368.3 Mark Hendrickson

377. 368.5 Scott Hairston

378. 370.8 Akinori Iwamura

379. 372.3 Jason Giambi

380. 372.3 Franklin Gutierrez

381. 373.2 Sergio Mitre

382. 373.8 Coco Crisp

383. 374.7 Adam Loewen

384. 375.2 Jose Bautista

385. 376.8 Jeff Suppan

386. 378.0 Carlos Silva

387. 379.0 Paul Maholm

388. 379.7 Woody Williams

389. 380.5 Jeremy Guthrie

390. 380.5 Josh Fields

391. 380.7 Justin Upton

392. 380.8 Jason Jennings

393. 382.0 Vicente Padilla

394. 382.8 Cliff Lee

395. 382.8 Joel Pineiro

396. 383.0 Miguel Batista

397. 383.2 Paul Byrd

398. 384.5 Richie Sexson

399. 384.8 Rick Vanden_Hurk

400. 387.0 Aaron Cook

401. 388.2 Jon Lester

402. 388.2 Mike Lamb

403. 389.3 Sean Marshall

404. 389.3 Chris Sampson

405. 389.3 Frank Catalanotto

406. 391.2 Jeremy Affeldt

407. 391.8 Zach Duke

408. 392.5 Daric Barton

409. 392.7 Jack Wilson

410. 393.5 Pedro Feliz

411. 393.7 Brian Schneider

412. 394.2 Jason Marquis

413. 398.8 Jason Kubel

414. 401.0 Mike Hampton

415. 401.2 Joey Votto

416. 403.5 Kevin Millar

417. 404.3 Cameron Maybin

418. 406.8 Jacque Jones

419. 407.0 Brad Wilkerson

420. 407.2 Ronnie Belliard

421. 407.8 Jose Lopez

422. 409.2 Danys Baez

423. 409.8 Rich Aurilia

424. 413.0 Nomar Garciaparra

425. 414.5 Dan Ortmeier

426. 415.0 Kyle Kendrick

427. 417.3 Homer Bailey

428. 417.8 Jay Bruce

429. 418.0 Brandon Backe

430. 418.8 Kason Gabbard

431. 418.8 Casey Blake

432. 421.2 Colby Rasmus

433. 421.5 Gio Gonzalez

434. 422.0 Tony Pena

435. 424.5 Adam Eaton

436. 424.7 Adam Kennedy

437. 426.2 Nick Johnson

438. 428.8 Reed Johnson

439. 429.3 John Danks

440. 429.7 Ubaldo Jimenez

441. 429.8 Erick Aybar

442. 431.7 Alex Gonzalez

443. 432.0 Elijah Dukes

444. 432.2 Ramon Castro

445. 433.0 Omar Vizquel

446. 436.3 Lenny DiNardo

447. 436.5 Emil Brown

448. 437.8 Jesus Flores

449. 439.0 Dmitri Young

450. 440.0 Javier Valentin

451. 441.8 Mark Kotsay

452. 442.0 Ryan Ludwick

453. 442.5 Brayan Pena

454. 442.8 Garrett Olson

455. 443.7 Bobby Crosby

456. 446.2 Jo-Jo Reyes

457. 447.2 JD Durbin

458. 448.2 Joe Crede

459. 449.2 Jeff Keppinger

460. 449.2 Dallas McPherson

461. 449.5 Franklin Morales

462. 449.7 Felipe Lopez

463. 451.5 Cody Ross

464. 453.5 Eric Munson

465. 454.5 Chris Coste

466. 456.5 Nyjer Morgan

467. 459.8 Edwin Jackson

468. 460.7 Gavin Floyd

469. 460.8 Cristian Guzman

470. 463.2 Adam Everett

471. 465.5 Henry Blanco

472. 467.2 Endy Chavez

473. 467.5 Livan Hernandez

474. 469.3 Matt Treanor

475. 470.3 Jason Larue

476. 471.8 Scott Hatteberg

477. 472.5 Kyle Davies

478. 473.0 Luke Hochevar

479. 474.5 Jorge De La Rosa

480. 476.0 Omar Infante

481. 476.8 Reggie Abercrombie

482. 476.8 Cesar Izturis

483. 477.7 Brad Ausmus

484. 481.7 Eric Bruntlett

485. 485.5 Chris Gomez

486. 486.0 Alejandro De Aza

487. 486.5 Troy Patton

488. 487.0 Brandon Jones

489. 487.3 Mark Loretta

490. 487.7 Ruben Gotay

491. 488.2 Brendan Ryan

492. 490.3 Daryle Ward

493. 490.7 Reggie Abercrombie

494. 491.3 Jorge Cantu

495. 492.5 Scott Thorman

496. 492.8 Luis Hernandez

497. 494.3 Matt Murton

498. 495.3 Gabe Gross

499. 495.3 Aaron Miles

500. 497.3 Craig Counsell

501. 498.0 Wes Helms

502. 500.3 Scott Spiezio

503. 501.8 Aaron Boone

504. 502.0 Josh Anderson

505. 503.0 Tony Gwynn

506. 503.3 So Taguchi

507. 504.8 Alfredo Amezaga

508. 505.0 Geoff Blum

509. 506.3 Darin Erstad

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Posted

In our keeper league, I picked your 16th ranked pick 8th, and your 8th ranked pick 17th.

 

How did you determine these rankings differently from the other ones?

Posted (edited)

Well the sample size of teams is growing. Basically I calculate an average team based off of actual results for a 5x5 12 team league's drafts. Using who is selected or not I calculate two things for each position, a replacement level player (usually found in rounds 18+ and on the waiver wire) and an average player (an average starter!, so I use top 14 at each position to include UTIL slots). Using the draft results I sum up the predicted statistics for each team. I then find the average team and the standard deviation of the teams in each statistic. From this we can take any team and find out what percentile they are in for each team. This can be converted to rotopoints. For example, a team that is predicted to score 825 teams by PECOTA is 1 stdev above the mean, so we expect them to be in the 84th percentile among all teams. So their expected roto score in runs would be 1+11*.68= 10.24.

 

With this framework we can analyze the players. First let's look at say, Hanley Ramirez in runs. An average SS scores 90.2 runs. An average team scores 790 runs. Hanley Ramirez is predicted to score 108.0 runs. So an average team who replaces their average SS with Hanley Ramirez would score 790 - 90.2 + 108.0 = 808 runs. Now we want to convert this change in runs to change in expected rotoscore. So we find out that 808 runs would be in the 69th percentile. So that team would be projected to have a score of 1+.69*11 = 8.7 points in runs. The average team would have 1+.5*11 = 6.5 points, so the increase for Hanley in runs would be 2.2 points. We do this for every player in each category.

 

Now, this is only over average, but we also need to include over replacement level, to get a relative distribution. To do that do the same thing above, but instead of subtracting an average teams score, find out the score of an average team that loses their average SS and replaces them with a replacement level SS.

 

Then to combine the six rankings (2 in ZiPS, 2 in PECOTA, 2 in James) I simply found their rank in each of them and averaged them.

Edited by Mephistopheles
Posted
Smoltz 18th?

 

Yeah it seems right for the most part but there are a few I don't quite understand. Does everyone agree Hanley should be 2? Smoltz, Hart, and Kinsler are some others I can't make up my mind about.

Posted

Hart's Projections (R/HR/RBI/SB/BA)

100.4/28.2/90.4/24.6/.288

99.4/26.9/92.4/28.1/.297

96.9/26.1/88.6/22.9/.289

 

Kinsler's

92.1/21.3/80.5/22.8/.267

107.6/24.7/81.6/26.0/.271

115.5/23.1/79.0/21.9/.269

 

Ramirez's

108.0/19.9/82.6/36.6/.306

113.8/22.6/69.7/45.1/.314

113.0/22.4/81.6/41.3/.306

Posted

So I joined a league tonight because I was bored. The league is a strange one to an extent. It's an 11-team (wtf?) Roto league, with 22 roster spots. There are 20 positions (C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, CI, MI, IF, LF, CF, RF, OF, and Util, along with 2 SP, 2 RP, and 3 P slots, which left 2 bench slots).

 

Using your rankings Meph, this is what I landed. I realized there were only two bench slots around the 16th round or so, which kinda screwed me up because I wanted another closer or two, but needed to fill more positions. The LF/CF/RF ordeal also screwed me up.

 

1. Alex Rodriguez (1)

21. Victor Martinez (8)

22. Brandon Webb (19)

42. John Smoltz (18)

43. Chipper Jones (37)

63. Corey Hart (22)

64. Chris Young SD (40/45?)

84. Pedro Martinez (24)

85. Kelly Johnson (57)

105. Huston Street (102)

106. Todd Helton (72)

126. Matt Cain (77)

127. Matt Kemp (24)

147. Jhonny Peralta (115)

148. Jered Weaver (112)

168. Jeff Kent (111)

169. Eric Gagne (136)

189. Josh Hamilton (170)

190. Freddy Sanchez (172)

210. Rocco Baldelli (113)

211. Lastings Milledge (139)

231. Greg Maddux (108)

 

So my lineup/rotation looks like:

 

C: Victor Martinez

1B: Todd Helton

2B: Kelly Johnson

3B: Alex Rodriguez

SS: Jhonny Peralta

CI: Chipper Jones

MI: Jeff Kent

IF: Freddy Sanchez

LF: Lastings Milledge

CF: Corey Hart

RF: Matt Kemp

OF: Josh Hamilton

Util: Rocco Baldelli

 

SP: Brandon Webb

SP: John Smoltz

RP: Huston Street

RP: Eric Gagne

P: Chris Young

P: Pedro Martinez

P: Matt Cain

Bench: Jered Weaver

Bench: Greg Maddux

Posted

This is awesome, thanks, Meph!

 

It would be great if you could organize these players by position and rank them by their points so we can see if there are groups of similar valued players. For example, we saw when you showed the second basemen that the bunch below Utley were similarly valued. That helped me realize that I can give up Phillips in a trade because I'll probably be able to draft a similar player a few rounds later.

Posted

Hmm... By points?

 

Ill take screenshots for now.

 

P_A is points over average, P_R is points over replacement level. DH levels were found by doing 2/3 OF + 1/3 1B at the level.

 

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Posted

Sweet. It's going to suck when Meph starts charging for this stuff.

 

ps: pecota likes dunn; james and zips don't think he'll be much to write home about. what does meph think?

Posted
need no

 

want? sure why not

 

Send me a pm with your email addy and I'll send you a copy when I get mine from my friend. (He's registering right now)

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