G.R.I.T.F.actor

[Mephistopheles]

google search "player name plays the game the right way" and add how many hits you get into the stat somewhere.

 

This works better:

 

("player name" "plays the game the right way")/Games Played*162

 

89.6 Dustin Pedroia

47.1 Ryan Theriot

40.3 Derek Jeter

32.4 David Eckstein

23.1 Alfonso Soriano

19.8 Manny Ramirez

[LeftCoastCubFan]

How about a calculation for reverse VORP? The gritty player in question is assumed as an average replacement-level player and his rVORP would be the inverse of the VORP of the more talented, higher-ceilinged player he's blocking.

I would also consider introducing "loss-shares."

Thoughts?

VOBP, Value Over Better Player

 

number of times on disabled list x 20

 

Because that's how many times they should have been on the dl if not for their grittiness.

It should be number of games played with a nagging injury because gritty players only go on the DL with broken bones or concussions.

 

google search "player name plays the game the right way" and add how many hits you get into the stat somewhere.

 

This works better:

 

("player name" "plays the game the right way")/Games Played*162

 

89.6 Dustin Pedroia

47.1 Ryan Theriot

40.3 Derek Jeter

32.4 David Eckstein

23.1 Alfonso Soriano

19.8 Manny Ramirez

But as JD Drew approaches zero games played, his value approaches infinity. 0/0.

[frostwyrm]

Bonus for every game player appears in despite being listed as "questionable" before the game. Big bonus if listed as "doubtful." Talking a coach into going against his better judgment so you can get in a game while banged up indicates you are a scrappy go-getter with impressive moxie.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Bonus for every game player appears in despite being listed as "questionable" before the game. Big bonus if listed as "doubtful."

 

can we just say anytime he's at "less than 110%"?

[USSoccer]

google search "player name plays the game the right way" and add how many hits you get into the stat somewhere.

 

This works better:

 

("player name" "plays the game the right way")/Games Played*162

 

89.6 Dustin Pedroia

47.1 Ryan Theriot

40.3 Derek Jeter

32.4 David Eckstein

23.1 Alfonso Soriano

19.8 Manny Ramirez

 

So this offseason, when considering a player to be aquired's merit, we need to include his G.R.I.T.Factor along with OPS+ and other useful metrics whilst deciding his desirablility.

[Omar]

What about the weight of their heart in kilograms? You have to factor that in.

[rocket]

What about the weight of their heart in kilograms? You have to factor that in.

 

now you're just being ridiculous

[treebird]

What about the weight of their heart in kilograms? You have to factor that in.

 

now you're just being ridiculous

 

preach it

[USSoccer]

Ok, so between Meph's formula and mine, I think we have something with which to email BP and offer them our metric for money. I'll call one G.R.I.T.Factor and one IsoHUSTLE.

 

The question is, how much do we want for it?

[rocket]

whathever the prize is for winning hacking mass, then double it

[USSoccer]

whathever the prize is for winning hacking mass, then double it

 

I think we should get to host a chat, too.

[Mephistopheles]

how about uninterrupted access to their databases?

[Mephistopheles]

Ok, so between Meph's formula and mine, I think we have something with which to email BP and offer them our metric for money. I'll call one G.R.I.T.Factor and one IsoHUSTLE.

 

The question is, how much do we want for it?

 

IM STILL WORKING ON MINE. We have a problem.

 

Ill be done by Saturday making modifications.

 

Example:

 

26.9 Barry Bonds

10.9 Sammy Sosa

4.1 Augie Ojeda

 

Ill get on it.

[Sammy Sofa]

Ok, so between Meph's formula and mine, I think we have something with which to email BP and offer them our metric for money. I'll call one G.R.I.T.Factor and one IsoHUSTLE.

 

The question is, how much do we want for it?

 

In honor of the truly GRIT-ty (ie - cheap) players, it can't be much.

[USSoccer]

Ok, so between Meph's formula and mine, I think we have something with which to email BP and offer them our metric for money. I'll call one G.R.I.T.Factor and one IsoHUSTLE.

 

The question is, how much do we want for it?

 

IM STILL WORKING ON MINE. We have a problem.

 

Ill be done by Saturday making modifications.

 

Example:

 

26.9 Barry Bonds

10.9 Sammy Sosa

4.1 Augie Ojeda

 

Ill get on it.

 

Awesome.

[Abe Frohman]

A few things....

 

* True Gritty players don't wear batting gloves.

* They sprint to first on a walk.

* If he can reach 2nd base before the ball is caught by an infielder, he should get substantial points.

[USSoccer]

A few things....

 

* True Gritty players don't wear batting gloves.

* They sprint to first on a walk.

* If he can reach 2nd base before the ball is caught by an infielder, he should get substantial points.

 

I factored in a deduction of 1 for wearing batting gloves.

[Sammy Sofa]

On the rare chance they do hit a home run, truly gritty players always only stare at the ground or straight ahead, jog politely around the bases and show no emotion whatsoever.

[javy knows my name]

On the rare chance they do hit a home run, truly gritty players always only stare at the ground or straight ahead, jog politely around the bases and show no emotion whatsoever.

 

Manny, is that you? You say it like it's a bad thing.

[Mephistopheles]

On the rare chance they do hit a home run, truly gritty players always only stare at the ground or straight ahead, jog politely around the bases and show no emotion whatsoever.

 

NO!! THEY NEVER JOG. NEVER!

 

They run around the bases in twenty seconds.

[wolf stansson]

On the rare chance they do hit a home run, truly gritty players always only stare at the ground or straight ahead, jog politely around the bases and show no emotion whatsoever.

 

NO!! THEY NEVER JOG. NEVER!

 

They run around the bases in twenty seconds.

One time they showed that Scott Rolen's regular home run trot was actually faster than some crappy catcher's inside the park home run sprint. That, kids, is how a true gamer handles his business.

[Mephistopheles]

I remember them doing it with some speedy OFer. It was like 16 or 18 seconds compared to the insider

[squally1313]

On the google aspect of this statistic, which by the way I love...

 

I tried different players on google using "gritty (player name)"

 

I only spent about 30 seconds gathering my data, because frankly, preaching the grittiness of players doesn't include much data, but the results are as follows....

 

"gritty Barry Bonds"- 1

"gritty Manny Ramirez"- 1

"gritty Ryan Theriot"- 2

 

And the kicker...

 

"gritty David Eckstein"- 61

 

That's right, David Eckstein is 61 times more gritty than Barry Bonds.

[Sammy Sofa]

On the rare chance they do hit a home run, truly gritty players always only stare at the ground or straight ahead, jog politely around the bases and show no emotion whatsoever.

 

Manny, is that you? You say it like it's a bad thing.

 

If a pitcher can leap around and cavort on the mound like a madman, I see nothing wrong with a hitter taking a moment to enjoy when they've just clobbered one out of the park. Players can show emotion or that they're pumped everywhere else...except when they do what is arguably the most awesome singular display of baseball's, well, awesomeness. Bosh, I say. Flimshaw.

[javy knows my name]

On the rare chance they do hit a home run, truly gritty players always only stare at the ground or straight ahead, jog politely around the bases and show no emotion whatsoever.

 

Manny, is that you? You say it like it's a bad thing.

 

If a pitcher can leap around and cavort on the mound like a madman, I see nothing wrong with a hitter taking a moment to enjoy when they've just clobbered one out of the park. Players can show emotion or that they're pumped everywhere else...except when they do what is arguably the most awesome singular display of baseball's, well, awesomeness. Bosh, I say. Flimshaw.

 

You can go ahead and call me a purist, but what Manny did last night epitomized what is wrong with professional sports today. Guys like TO and "Ocho-cinco" drop more passes than your average receiver because they are thinking too much about the damn TD celebration to follow. The NFL is absolutely not hard enough on these guys. But I digress.

Manny is helping to bring an aspect of pro sports that I never thought would befall the game of baseball, and I can't help but resent him for it. He is turning a team game into something all about him. Not only is he showing up the other team, but also his own. I also think that this depends on the circumstances (his 3-run hr in the 2004 ALCS comes immediately to mind), and the situation did not call for it.

This has nothing to do with grit or lack thereof, and even if it did, it doesn't belong in a discussion mocking "gritty" players (btw, I love this discussion). Running out a hr modestly doesn't seem to me like something that should be mocked.

 

*However, this does not apply to running out a walk. Every time Eckstein does that, I die a little inside.