The Trading of Calvin Schiraldi

[Cubfan_N_nebraska]

If memory serves me correct in 1989 the Cubs were on the verge of capturing the NL east when they sent the struggling(and that's being polite) Calvin Schiraldi to San Diego for Luis Salazar, Marvell Wynn and I can't think of any other individuals who were involved in that trade. Hendry needs to do one of these trades to shake somethings up and get some fresh blood on the team. Make a few minor adjustments tweak the engine; adjust the throttle something but don't wait for something to do the shaking do the shaking himself. I understand that you don't want to trade just to trade but even if it is just minor in the eyes of everybody it just might be the move that shakes it up enough to get the Cubs to the playoffs and hopefully to the World Series. Marshall is a pitcher that in my eyes has enough potential to attract that kind of trade and might gives something in return that might just be the adjustment the Cubs need. Dealing him would force the Cubs to replace him in the rotation and that move alone could be the adjustment in the rotation we need and it could get us a position player (CF) that can help us too. It could make us throw our hands in the air in praise or displeasure but at least Hendry try to get the club over that hurdle. Edited August 13, 2007 by Cubfan_N_nebraska

[anabiono]

interesting idea...i suppose you are one of the cubs fans in support of gallagher to the rotation then?

[Irrelevant Dude]

And the Cubs have never recovered...

 

First Lou Brock, then Greg Maddux, then Calvin Schiraldi.

[Soul]

If memory serves me correct in 1989 the Cubs were on the verge of capturing the NL east when they sent the struggling(and that's being polite) Calvin Sharaldi to San Diego for Luis Salazar, Marvell Wynn and I can't think of any other individuals who were involved in that trade. Hendry needs to do one of these trades to shake somethings up and get some fresh blood on the team. Make a few minor adjustments tweak the engine; adjust the throttle something but don't wait for something to do the shaking do the shaking himself. I understand that you don't want to trade just to trade but even if it is just minor in the eyes of everybody it just might be the move that shakes it up enough to get the Cubs to the playoffs and hopefully to the World Series. Marshall is a pitcher that in my eyes has enough potential to attract that kind of trade and might gives something in return that might just be the adjustment the Cubs need. Dealing him would force the Cubs to replace him in the rotation and that move alone could be the adjustment in the rotation we need and it could get us a position player (CF) that can help us too. It could make us throw our hands in the air in praise or displeasure but at least Hendry try to get the club over that hurdle.

 

Though it may look like some trades are done for no reason, I have found when you look at it there's almost always a reason, real or perceived, that a GM does it.

 

I doubt many GMs would really do this -- just throw guys around basically in desperation ('cuz that's what it is) to change out players and hope for magic, no real reasoning or basis for the move.

[Guest]

How does one propose to get a cheap, effective, young left handed starter through waivers so that he can be traded?

 

Now Marquis could probably get through waivers...

[Soul]

How does one propose to get a cheap, effective, young left handed starter through waivers so that he can be traded?

 

Now Marquis could probably get through waivers...

 

If you could find a way to get me through waivers and on to the Brewers roster? Now there you might have something. They'd be doomed. 8-)

[NCCubFan]

If memory serves me correct in 1989 the Cubs were on the verge of capturing the NL east when they sent the struggling(and that's being polite) Calvin Sharaldi to San Diego for Luis Salazar, Marvell Wynn and I can't think of any other individuals who were involved in that trade.

The full trade was Salazar and Wynne for Schiraldi, Darrin Jackson, and a PTBNL (which turned out to be 1B Earl Stephenson). The trade was made on Aug. 30, just barely in time for Salazar and Wynne to be playoff-eligible.

[Magnetic Curses]

iirc, salazar had a big double against the cards down the stretch in september of that year--back when we were leading them only by a game.

 

i'm not sure why marvell wynn was ever an employee of any major league ballclub, though.

[RynoRules]

iirc, salazar had a big double against the cards down the stretch in september of that year--back when we were leading them only by a game.

 

i'm not sure why marvell wynn was ever an employee of any major league ballclub, though.

 

Marvell played for quite a while actually, for the Pirates in particular, IIRC.

 

Here he is: http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wynnema01.shtml

 

Luis was one of my faves only b/c he was a late addition (a la Lopes in 84') and looked about 20 yrs older than he was at the time.

 

EDIT: Baseball reference says he put up an OPS-plus of 117 for the Cubs that yr in about 30 games.

 

http://fireloupiniella.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/luis-salazar.JPG

[Little Slide Rooter]

If memory serves me correct in 1989 the Cubs were on the verge of capturing the NL east when they sent the struggling(and that's being polite) Calvin Sharaldi to San Diego for Luis Salazar, Marvell Wynn and I can't think of any other individuals who were involved in that trade. Hendry needs to do one of these trades to shake somethings up and get some fresh blood on the team. Make a few minor adjustments tweak the engine; adjust the throttle something but don't wait for something to do the shaking do the shaking himself. I understand that you don't want to trade just to trade but even if it is just minor in the eyes of everybody it just might be the move that shakes it up enough to get the Cubs to the playoffs and hopefully to the World Series. Marshall is a pitcher that in my eyes has enough potential to attract that kind of trade and might gives something in return that might just be the adjustment the Cubs need. Dealing him would force the Cubs to replace him in the rotation and that move alone could be the adjustment in the rotation we need and it could get us a position player (CF) that can help us too. It could make us throw our hands in the air in praise or displeasure but at least Hendry try to get the club over that hurdle.

 

Though it may look like some trades are done for no reason, I have found when you look at it there's almost always a reason, real or perceived, that a GM does it.

 

I doubt many GMs would really do this -- just throw guys around basically in desperation ('cuz that's what it is) to change out players and hope for magic, no real reasoning or basis for the move.

 

Sometimes its just because a guy needs a change of scenery as a last resort, such as the seemingly pointless Jason DuBois for Jody Gerut trade.

 

As anti Marshall as Ive been since the break, Im not for trading him just yet. Weve got to see what hes really capable of first, as well as what Sean Gallagher and Donnie Veal are capable of, considering that if we sign Z, we wont be signing any more big name pitchers any time soon.

 

Prior

Wood

Zambrano

Willis

Garland

 

...ah yes, what could have been.

[Cubfan_N_nebraska]

How does one propose to get a cheap, effective, young left handed starter through waivers so that he can be traded?

 

Now Marquis could probably get through waivers...

 

I guess that's the point I was trying to make. By putting him on waivers a team would claim him. (Marquis would be just fine too I shouldn't have just singled out Marshall) The Cubs then could possible make a deal that could get the player or players they need.

[Illini Iceman]

How does one propose to get a cheap, effective, young left handed starter through waivers so that he can be traded?

 

Now Marquis could probably get through waivers...

 

I guess that's the point I was trying to make. By putting him on waivers a team would claim him. (Marquis would be just fine too I shouldn't have just singled out Marshall) The Cubs then could possible make a deal that could get the player or players they need.

 

I don't get it. In 1989 they traded an awful aging pitcher for some fairly useful spare parts. How would trading an effective young pitcher like Marshall compare to that scenario?

[bhogg]

the regular trade deadline was Aug 31 in '89 as well.

 

Wynne was your typical 80s style player --- speed, speed, and speed. Nothing much else.

 

Salazar was a good pickup for that year. Vance Law couldn't hit water if he fell in the ocean and the cubs had not yet picked up hall of famer Gary Scott ;)

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Luis Salazar always looked like he was smiling

[NCCubFan]

the regular trade deadline was Aug 31 in '89 as well.

Back then I believe there were actually two trading deadlines. After the first deadline a team had to get waivers in its own league to trade a player, and after the second deadline it required clearing waivers in both leagues. I'm not positive about that, but it sticks in my mind.