CSN and Dempster Say Dempster in Rotation; CSN Backtracks

[C.C.]

Dempster as a starter is a terrible move.

 

so is putting Guzman in the bullpen

 

So is being a Cubs fan....

[Soul]

I guess I'll just have to wait to see how it all shakes out.

 

And you call yourself a Cub fan? Hang 'em first!!! Ask questions later!!! My way or the highway!!! Get with the program, buddy!!! I'm not sure you're allowed to post here unless you know everything.

 

Haha.

 

Sometimes I feel "getting with the program" around here would involve spending hours burying my nose in stat sheets and stat guru books. Just not something that I find an enjoyable use of my time. :wink:

[Tracer Bullet]

Lou needs to stop tinkering with stuff.

 

See, I think that is the biggest criticism of Lou. We busted on Dusty for being a status quo guy to a fault

 

I'll take a guy with guts and a proven track record of getting the most out of his players. Like Lou

 

He needs to tinker BECAUSE 1) guys are not being consistent (he realizes that is a catch 22, some guys need consistent PT to get consistent and 2) he was given too many mediocre/high priced/high potential guys to play with. I wish he had FEWER pieces to move around (namely, Jones and Floyd, frinstance).

 

Do you really think he will tinker the whole year? No, guys have to step up and take what is being offered. And because Lou has b*lls he will stick with them.

 

In the end, I blame management for the team they put together more than I blame Lou. I loved the fact that they spent money, I was/am not so thrilled what they spent it on.

 

I certainly blame Hendry for this mess. But I don't think Lou is getting the most out of things. I'm not Dempster fan (whether as closer or otherwise), but he's basically gotten the job done this year, except for that one terrible inning. So he might lose his job b/c of that one inning?

 

It's the same with the offensive players. It's like - Murton goes 0/4 one game, so he gets benched against the next guy. Floyd goes 3/4, he gets another start. Goes 0/3 with 2 Ks, he's on the bench. You can't base your decisions on the last game, especially when you have years worth of info to assist you.

 

If you want to take Dempster out of the closer role b/c he was bad last year, has only been good 1 year, and has a bad history as a starter - fine. But if you take him out b/c he had 1 bad inning, that's stupid. And it really seems like Lou uses the last game, or maybe the last few games, to decide who should play. That just bugs me. Playing the hot hand is a great way to screw with a team.

[Soul]

Hmmm...

 

Not that I agree with it, but I would consider being moved to starter a promotion, not 'losing my job.'

[Soriano12]

Hmmm...

 

Not that I agree with it, but I would consider being moved to starter a promotion, not 'losing my job.'

 

Well it is from closer(most important pen job) to 5th starter.

 

I view it as Lumbergh moving Milton to various spots of the building.

 

 

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Hey Ryan, what's happening

Um, I'm going to have to ask you to go ahead and move to the rotation again, if you could do that it would be greeat. Thanks a bunch

[HoopsCubs]

As Phil Rogers might be thinking: moving Guzman to the pen, letting Dempster mentor him short-term, having Marshall become the 5th starter, and then easing Dempster back into the rotation may all be related to Hendry's grand plan of moving Zambrano at the deadline.

[Omar]

Steve Stone thinks Marshall will be brought up.

[Guest]

Steve Stone thinks Marshall will be brought up.

 

Marshall was brought up, Cotts was sent down (per the Score). Check out Transactions.

[Tracer Bullet]

Hmmm...

 

Not that I agree with it, but I would consider being moved to starter a promotion, not 'losing my job.'

 

If he was being moved to starter b/c he was so good in the pen that they wanted to maximize his innings, I'd agree with you. But when you get moved from one job to another b/c your boss thinks you're not very good at your current job, I wouldn't consider it a promotion. Even if you get more customer contact or something, you're still being moved b/c your boss thinks you're costing the company business (or, in this case, games).

[Guest]

Hmmm...

 

Not that I agree with it, but I would consider being moved to starter a promotion, not 'losing my job.'

 

If he was being moved to starter b/c he was so good in the pen that they wanted to maximize his innings, I'd agree with you. But when you get moved from one job to another b/c your boss thinks you're not very good at your current job, I wouldn't consider it a promotion. Even if you get more customer contact or something, you're still being moved b/c your boss thinks you're costing the company business (or, in this case, games).

 

On the other hand, Dempster wants to start.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hmmm...

 

Not that I agree with it, but I would consider being moved to starter a promotion, not 'losing my job.'

 

If he was being moved to starter b/c he was so good in the pen that they wanted to maximize his innings, I'd agree with you. But when you get moved from one job to another b/c your boss thinks you're not very good at your current job, I wouldn't consider it a promotion. Even if you get more customer contact or something, you're still being moved b/c your boss thinks you're costing the company business (or, in this case, games).

 

On the other hand, Dempster wants to start.

 

And I want to have sex with Josie Maran. Sometimes we have to settle for inferior roles than we'd hoped for.

[Mizzou]

Can I get a quick update as far as today's news on this story?

[Coach C]

I guess I don't understand the logic of having Dempster in the rotation.

[C.C.]

Steve Stone said that Lou was going to put Dempster in the rotation, but Hendry was against it and put an end to it.

[YearofDaCubs]

Hmmm...

 

Not that I agree with it, but I would consider being moved to starter a promotion, not 'losing my job.'

 

If he was being moved to starter b/c he was so good in the pen that they wanted to maximize his innings, I'd agree with you. But when you get moved from one job to another b/c your boss thinks you're not very good at your current job, I wouldn't consider it a promotion. Even if you get more customer contact or something, you're still being moved b/c your boss thinks you're costing the company business (or, in this case, games).

 

On the other hand, Dempster wants to start.

 

And I want to have sex with Josie Maran. Sometimes we have to settle for inferior roles than we'd hoped for.

:lol:

[YearofDaCubs]

Steve Stone said that Lou was going to put Dempster in the rotation, but Hendry was against it and put an end to it.

Now if Hendry can put Guzman back as the 5th starter role...

[Derwood]

Steve Stone said that Lou was going to put Dempster in the rotation, but Hendry was against it and put an end to it.

 

who knew Hendry would be the rational one?

[C.C.]

Steve Stone said that Lou was going to put Dempster in the rotation, but Hendry was against it and put an end to it.

 

who knew Hendry would be the rational one?

 

No doubt. Man, this team loves drama.

[Monco]

I didn't even realize our rotation and closer was the problem. I thought the problem was getting the game to the closer. Dempsters is 9 of 10.Why not move Guzman into the setup role? I remember Dempster starting as a Cub. Look at his career as a starter. I fail to see the logic.

[Illini Iceman]

I didn't even realize our rotation and closer was the problem. I thought the problem was getting the game to the closer. Dempsters is 9 of 10.Why not move Guzman into the setup role? I remember Dempster starting as a Cub. Look at his career as a starter. I fail to see the logic.

 

Seems to me that Piniella thought about make a drastic change (moving Dempster to the rotation), considered the ramifications, took into account other opinions, then came to the rational conclusion that the best option was to leave Dempster as closer, put Guzman as set up man to improve performance in getting the game to the closer, and promote Marshall to the rotation.

Despite all the hand wringing, it seems like a good decision making process.

[seanimal]

I didn't even realize our rotation and closer was the problem. I thought the problem was getting the game to the closer. Dempsters is 9 of 10.Why not move Guzman into the setup role? I remember Dempster starting as a Cub. Look at his career as a starter. I fail to see the logic.

 

Seems to me that Piniella thought about make a drastic change (moving Dempster to the rotation), considered the ramifications, took into account other opinions, then came to the rational conclusion that the best option was to leave Dempster as closer, put Guzman as set up man to improve performance in getting the game to the closer, and promote Marshall to the rotation.

Despite all the hand wringing, it seems like a good decision making process.

 

Except that if Marshall can't go many innings in his starts, we just sent out guy most capable of long relief other than Gooz to AAA. This is where DFA'ing Eyre would have made the most sense, cause we could still use Cotts in long relief and have Gooz set-up Dempster.

[Monco]

I didn't even realize our rotation and closer was the problem. I thought the problem was getting the game to the closer. Dempsters is 9 of 10.Why not move Guzman into the setup role? I remember Dempster starting as a Cub. Look at his career as a starter. I fail to see the logic.

 

Seems to me that Piniella thought about make a drastic change (moving Dempster to the rotation), considered the ramifications, took into account other opinions, then came to the rational conclusion that the best option was to leave Dempster as closer, put Guzman as set up man to improve performance in getting the game to the closer, and promote Marshall to the rotation.

Despite all the hand wringing, it seems like a good decision making process.

 

I agree with the final result. I'm just questioning why the other options would even be considered..

[Illini Iceman]

I didn't even realize our rotation and closer was the problem. I thought the problem was getting the game to the closer. Dempsters is 9 of 10.Why not move Guzman into the setup role? I remember Dempster starting as a Cub. Look at his career as a starter. I fail to see the logic.

 

Seems to me that Piniella thought about make a drastic change (moving Dempster to the rotation), considered the ramifications, took into account other opinions, then came to the rational conclusion that the best option was to leave Dempster as closer, put Guzman as set up man to improve performance in getting the game to the closer, and promote Marshall to the rotation.

Despite all the hand wringing, it seems like a good decision making process.

 

Except that if Marshall can't go many innings in his starts, we just sent out guy most capable of long relief other than Gooz to AAA. This is where DFA'ing Eyre would have made the most sense, cause we could still use Cotts in long relief and have Gooz set-up Dempster.

 

What is with this DFA infatuation? People here always complain about Hendry selling low but is there any more extreme example of selling low than DFA'ing a veteran LH reliever that is coming off two solid years because of one bad month? Let Eyre work out his problems in long relief if you don't want him pitching in key situations, but giving him away for nothing makes no sense. This isn't the NFL where you don't have to pay his contract if you cut him.

[seanimal]

I didn't even realize our rotation and closer was the problem. I thought the problem was getting the game to the closer. Dempsters is 9 of 10.Why not move Guzman into the setup role? I remember Dempster starting as a Cub. Look at his career as a starter. I fail to see the logic.

 

Seems to me that Piniella thought about make a drastic change (moving Dempster to the rotation), considered the ramifications, took into account other opinions, then came to the rational conclusion that the best option was to leave Dempster as closer, put Guzman as set up man to improve performance in getting the game to the closer, and promote Marshall to the rotation.

Despite all the hand wringing, it seems like a good decision making process.

 

Except that if Marshall can't go many innings in his starts, we just sent out guy most capable of long relief other than Gooz to AAA. This is where DFA'ing Eyre would have made the most sense, cause we could still use Cotts in long relief and have Gooz set-up Dempster.

 

What is with this DFA infatuation? People here always complain about Hendry selling low but is there any more extreme example of selling low than DFA'ing a veteran LH reliever that is coming off two solid years because of one bad month? Let Eyre work out his problems in long relief if you don't want him pitching in key situations, but giving him away for nothing makes no sense. This isn't the NFL where you don't have to pay his contract if you cut him.

 

Selling low isn't the issue. I doubt there are any takers who would give us something worthwhile in exchange. It's not an infatuation with DFA, it's that Eyre is a waste of a roster spot, he hasn't been the same since last year's injury, though, he wasn't this bad in Sept. of last year and has looked *somewhat* better in his last couple of appearances, but that's not saying much.

[Monco]

I wouldn't DFA Eyre,I'd consider a trip to the 15 day DL.