Wade Miller

[larhur]

as I see it, the rotation will be Z, Prior, Hill, Miller, Marquis

[C.C.]

as I see it, the rotation will be Z, Prior, Hill, Miller, Marquis

 

Lilly?

[98navigator]

I had a pretty good argument going with another cubs fan in a bar about who would you rather keep Marquis or Miller assuming dropping one would not subject the team to any sort of financial penalty. I was in Marquis corner, and the other guy was on Miller's side. His main argument was the possibility of Miller reverting back to his 02 form, and Marquis making too much money. I thought that Marquis was much more likely to revert to his 04 season numbers that Miller was in reverting to his 02-03 numbers because of his health coinciding with his decreased velocity. We both understood each other's arguments and agreed to disagree. Then he said he would rather have a completely healthy Miller over a completely healthy Wood. I was not pleased.

 

I've already made a case against that in this thread but I couldn't resist saying, again, that this is ridiculous! Kerry Wood has always been better than Miller. That doesn't mean Wade can't be decent but I don't understand the comparison...

[C.C.]

I had a pretty good argument going with another cubs fan in a bar about who would you rather keep Marquis or Miller assuming dropping one would not subject the team to any sort of financial penalty. I was in Marquis corner, and the other guy was on Miller's side. His main argument was the possibility of Miller reverting back to his 02 form, and Marquis making too much money. I thought that Marquis was much more likely to revert to his 04 season numbers that Miller was in reverting to his 02-03 numbers because of his health coinciding with his decreased velocity. We both understood each other's arguments and agreed to disagree. Then he said he would rather have a completely healthy Miller over a completely healthy Wood. I was not pleased.

 

I've already made a case against that in this thread but I couldn't resist saying, again, that this is ridiculous! Kerry Wood has always been better than Miller. That doesn't mean Wade can't be decent but I don't understand the comparison...

 

No comparasion. Wood is better.

[98navigator]

BTW, I couldn't find it online but the Suntimes print edition says Miller topped out at 86 mph. It's listed in the "Cubs in the desert" section on page 71A.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I had a pretty good argument going with another cubs fan in a bar about who would you rather keep Marquis or Miller assuming dropping one would not subject the team to any sort of financial penalty. I was in Marquis corner, and the other guy was on Miller's side. His main argument was the possibility of Miller reverting back to his 02 form, and Marquis making too much money. I thought that Marquis was much more likely to revert to his 04 season numbers that Miller was in reverting to his 02-03 numbers because of his health coinciding with his decreased velocity. We both understood each other's arguments and agreed to disagree. Then he said he would rather have a completely healthy Miller over a completely healthy Wood. I was not pleased.

 

I've already made a case against that in this thread but I couldn't resist saying, again, that this is ridiculous! Kerry Wood has always been better than Miller. That doesn't mean Wade can't be decent but I don't understand the comparison...

 

No comparasion. Wood is better.

 

Not true. A healthy Wade Miller is almost every bit as good as a healthy Kerry Wood.

[98navigator]

I had a pretty good argument going with another cubs fan in a bar about who would you rather keep Marquis or Miller assuming dropping one would not subject the team to any sort of financial penalty. I was in Marquis corner, and the other guy was on Miller's side. His main argument was the possibility of Miller reverting back to his 02 form, and Marquis making too much money. I thought that Marquis was much more likely to revert to his 04 season numbers that Miller was in reverting to his 02-03 numbers because of his health coinciding with his decreased velocity. We both understood each other's arguments and agreed to disagree. Then he said he would rather have a completely healthy Miller over a completely healthy Wood. I was not pleased.

 

I've already made a case against that in this thread but I couldn't resist saying, again, that this is ridiculous! Kerry Wood has always been better than Miller. That doesn't mean Wade can't be decent but I don't understand the comparison...

 

No comparasion. Wood is better.

 

Not true. A healthy Wade Miller is almost every bit as good as a healthy Kerry Wood.

 

How so? We all know about Kerry's inability to stay healthy but even with his problems he's started more games and pitched more innings than Wade Miller. All things being equal about health, Wood has a better career ERA, WHIP, H/9, K/9, shutouts, and complete games (just to name a few). The only thing Wade Miller has, over Wood, is a history of better control as evidenced by his fewer walks.

 

Miller's higher winning precentage, I think, has more to do with the team's he's pitched for than his own abilities...

 

Kerry Wood:

 

Baseball-Reference

Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP

+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+

1998 21 CHC NL 13 6 26 26 1 1 0 0 166.7 117 69 63 14 85 233 11 6 699 1 3 3.40 4.36 128 1.212 RoY-1

2000 23 CHC NL 8 7 23 23 1 0 0 0 137.0 112 77 73 17 87 132 9 5 603 0 1 4.80 4.27 89 1.453

2001 24 CHC NL 12 6 28 28 1 1 0 0 174.3 127 70 65 16 92 217 10 9 740 3 0 3.36 4.23 126 1.256

2002 25 CHC NL 12 11 33 33 4 1 0 0 213.7 169 92 87 22 97 217 16 8 895 5 1 3.66 4.03 110 1.245

2003 26 CHC NL 14 11 32 32 4 2 0 0 211.0 152 77 75 24 100 266 21 10 887 2 0 3.20 4.24 133 1.194 AS

2004 27 CHC NL 8 9 22 22 0 0 0 0 140.3 127 62 58 16 51 144 11 7 595 0 0 3.72 4.53 122 1.268

2005 28 CHC NL 3 4 21 10 0 0 4 0 66.0 52 32 31 14 26 77 2 0 273 0 0 4.23 4.27 101 1.182

2006 29 CHC NL 1 2 4 4 0 0 0 0 19.7 19 13 9 5 8 13 1 1 86 0 0 4.12 4.63 112 1.373

+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+

8 Yr WL% .559 71 56 189 178 11 5 4 0 1128.7 875 492 461 128 546 1299 81 46 4778 11 5 3.68 4.27 116 1.259

+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+

162 Game Avg 13 10 35 32 2 0 0 0 209.0 162 91 85 23 101 240 15 8 885 2 0 3.68 4.27 116 1.259

Career High 14 11 33 33 4 2 4 0 213.7 169 92 87 24 100 266 21 10 895 5 3 3.20 4.53 133 1.182

 

Wade Miller

 

Baseball-Reference

 

Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP

+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+

1999 22 HOU NL 0 1 5 1 0 0 2 0 10.3 17 11 11 4 5 8 0 0 52 0 0 9.58 4.34 45 2.129

2000 23 HOU NL 6 6 16 16 2 0 0 0 105.0 104 66 60 14 42 89 3 1 453 1 0 5.14 4.92 96 1.390

2001 24 HOU NL 16 8 32 32 1 0 0 0 212.0 183 91 80 31 76 183 4 8 873 3 0 3.40 4.54 134 1.222

2002 25 HOU NL 15 4 26 26 1 1 0 0 164.7 151 63 60 14 62 144 6 4 688 9 0 3.28 4.28 130 1.294

2003 26 HOU NL 14 13 33 33 1 0 0 0 187.3 168 96 86 17 77 161 10 4 797 1 0 4.13 4.41 107 1.308

2004 27 HOU NL 7 7 15 15 0 0 0 0 88.7 76 35 33 11 44 74 0 1 383 0 0 3.35 4.31 129 1.353

2005 28 BOS AL 4 4 16 16 0 0 0 0 91.0 96 53 50 8 47 64 3 6 414 0 0 4.95 4.40 89 1.571

2006 29 CHC NL 0 2 5 5 0 0 0 0 21.7 19 12 11 4 18 20 1 1 103 1 0 4.57 4.63 101 1.708

+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+

8 Yr WL% .579 62 45 148 144 5 1 2 0 880.7 814 427 391 103 371 743 27 25 3763 15 0 4.00 4.47 112 1.346

+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+

162 Game Avg 14 10 34 33 1 0 0 0 205.0 189 99 91 23 86 173 6 5 876 3 0 4.00 4.47 112 1.346

Career High 16 13 33 33 2 1 2 0 212.0 183 96 86 31 77 183 10 8 873 9 0 3.28 4.92 134 1.222