Mock Headline #3: Hendry Acquires Ex-Piniella Player

[nilodnayr]

It also ties him with Aramis. His durability is part of his value.

VORP doesn't do a very good job of distinguishing between durability and hitting at the top of the order.

Yeah, it just measures value.

 

The point is that Ichiro gets more value in VORP for reasons that are simply due to the spot in the order he's in.

 

His VORP will drop if he hits .300 next year. What happens if he hits .350?

Which do you think is more likely? He's 33 on Sunday and his game is largely tied into footspeed.

Get him out of that park and I think .320-.330 is a very safe bet.

 

How do you figure? 2003-2005 there wasn't any difference, and he was significantly better at Safeco last year. He doesn't hit a lot of long shots, so theoretically speaking he would stand to lose some hits moving to a smaller park.

 

However, doesn't VORP take defensive position into consideration? If so then he logged the majority of his time in RF, so if he would have been playing CF all year, wouldn't his VORP have been significantly better?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The point is that Ichiro gets more value in VORP for reasons that are simply due to the spot in the order he's in.

Do you see the Cubs hitting Ichiro anywhere but first?

 

That's beside the point. Just because he's the one that gets the extra at bats doesn't make him more valuable than Carl Crawford, who hits later in the order.

 

Get him out of that park and I think .320-.330 is a very safe bet.

How do you figure? 2003-2005 there wasn't any difference, and he was significantly better at Safeco last year. He doesn't hit a lot of long shots, so theoretically speaking he would stand to lose some hits moving to a smaller park.

Look at his EAVG over the past four seasons.

 

I don't follow. Did you mean Equivalent Average(EqA), or something else?

[1908]

The point is that Ichiro gets more value in VORP for reasons that are simply due to the spot in the order he's in.

Do you see the Cubs hitting Ichiro anywhere but first?

That's beside the point. Just because he's the one that gets the extra at bats doesn't make him more valuable than Carl Crawford, who hits later in the order.

I was just growing tired of the minutiae.

 

Get him out of that park and I think .320-.330 is a very safe bet.

How do you figure? 2003-2005 there wasn't any difference' date=' and he was significantly better at Safeco last year. He doesn't hit a lot of long shots, so theoretically speaking he would stand to lose some hits moving to a smaller park.[/quote']

Look at his EAVG over the past four seasons.

 

I don't follow. Did you mean Equivalent Average(EqA), or something else?

No, his equivalent batting average. BP calculates that as well.

[Derwood]

did I miss Mock Headlines #1 and #2 somewhere?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

did I miss Mock Headlines #1 and #2 somewhere?

 

Yes, #1 got us Andruw Jones - viewtopic.php?t=35483

 

#2 got us hosed - viewtopic.php?t=35654

[TruffleShuffle]

"Anybody can hit singles if that's all they're trying to do, that doesn't impress me." - Gary Sheffield talking about Ichiro

 

Gary Sheffield is an idiot.

[goonys evil twin]

Ichiro's OPS+ the past two years:

 

109

109

 

 

If you can get a big bat elsewhere and play him in CF, it helps the team. Otherwise, he's almost a wash with Jones from 2006 (107), although obviously an OBP improvement.

 

I could definitely see something like this though. It just won't help the team all that much unless he's replacing Pierre.

Are you honestly arguing against Ichiro on this team? The man is the best leadoff hitter in the game and picks up 200+ hits every season, not to mention the stolen bases and great defense.

 

I'm arguing against the notion that Ichiro is any kind of savior, or worth going nuts for. The fact is his reputation far exceeds his true value. And at his age, with a came that relies on foot speed, he's probably not ever going to approach his past success.

[Lefty]

Ichiro's OPS+ the past two years:

 

109

109

 

 

If you can get a big bat elsewhere and play him in CF, it helps the team. Otherwise, he's almost a wash with Jones from 2006 (107), although obviously an OBP improvement.

 

I could definitely see something like this though. It just won't help the team all that much unless he's replacing Pierre.

Are you honestly arguing against Ichiro on this team? The man is the best leadoff hitter in the game and picks up 200+ hits every season, not to mention the stolen bases and great defense.

 

Pierre had 200 hits this year, so I am not sure you want that to be part of your argument.

 

I have had conversations with former Seattle, and current Arizona, pitching coach Bryan Price about Ichiro. He said that in his quest to get hits he would swing at almost every 2-0 and 3-1 pitch regardless of where it was. Apparently hits were the important cultural stat. I'd take him in CF, as would Seattle. He doesn't really serve us in RF unless publicity is more important than winning.

[Magnetic Curses]

"Anybody can hit singles if that's all they're trying to do, that doesn't impress me." - Gary Sheffield talking about Ichiro

 

Gary Sheffield is an idiot.

 

and a far superior player.