Prior Rehab Starts

[RynoRules]

If the Cubs hadn't be woefully bad, I could see them seizing on the opportunity to trade Marshall for a big time bat. As it is, I think that Miller will either work out of the pen upon his return or Marshall will be sent down to start.

 

If the Cubs climb back into the chase for a playoff spot (highly unlikely), Marshall will be the name other teams ask for when dealing with the Cubs.

 

Sans Prior, Lee and ARam (assuming all are healthy, of course), Marshall might be our most tradeable commodity right now. His value may also be at an all-time high. We might be able to pull off a heist if we find the right trading partner. Who is desperate for pitching outside of the NL Central?

[Balsa]

Marshall is already half-way through his IP total of last year. And in 2004, he only threw 77.2 IP. And since he's only 23, there isn't much of a reason to push him.

 

I think even if he gets sent down, his confidence should be sky high.

 

Good point about IP. We DON'T want another 2003 push-it-to-the-limit thingy. The last thing we want to do is exhaust Marshall and mess up his arm. And, if they do give Miller a bit more time, then that's just about perfect timing to send him back down to AAA.

 

And vance makes a good point about trade bait if we can somehow Astros-run ourselves into contention.

[badger1679666666]

Marshall entered the game limiting opposing hitters to a .209 average, trailing only Pedro Martinez (.164) and Jason Schmidt (.199) among National League starters.

[Banedon]

Think Marshall's value is high enough that he could be the centerpiece in a Miguel Cabrera trade?

[Balsa]

Sans Prior, Lee and ARam (assuming all are healthy, of course), Marshall might be our most tradeable commodity right now. His value may also be at an all-time high. We might be able to pull off a heist if we find the right trading partner. Who is desperate for pitching outside of the NL Central?

While I'd agree that Marshall's value is at an all-time high, I'm not sure it won't get even higher as he matures. I would only trade him for the best of players to help us into the playoffs.

 

That being said, Texas is always looking for young pitching, Philly is looking to unload Abreu's contract, Cabrera and Willis are expensive on the Florida costcutting team, and Manny being Manny are all possibilities.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Sans Prior, Lee and ARam (assuming all are healthy, of course), Marshall might be our most tradeable commodity right now. His value may also be at an all-time high. We might be able to pull off a heist if we find the right trading partner. Who is desperate for pitching outside of the NL Central?

While I'd agree that Marshall's value is at an all-time high, I'm not sure it won't get even higher as he matures. I would only trade him for the best of players to help us into the playoffs.

 

That being said, Texas is always looking for young pitching, Philly is looking to unload Abreu's contract, and Manny being Manny are all possibilities.

 

If Boston would eat some money, I'd platoon Manny in LF with Manny. Both of his personalities can hit.

[Sammy Sofa]

Knowing Manny and knowing the Cubs' luck, I think him in Chicago would result in the first "death by brick and ivy" ever witnessed at Wrigley.

[Sammy Sofa]

Think Marshall's value is high enough that he could be the centerpiece in a Miguel Cabrera trade?

 

Yes and yes.

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=31763&start=30

 

It's sent me screaming into the wilds of insanity!

[jjgman21]

If they only go with 1 start in AZ and 2 rehab starts, I'll scratch my head. Are they that desperate to push him faster than Wood (from when Kerry started throwing to rookies)?

 

I don't understand how this is pushing him faster than Wood. both threw 45 pitches at a time for a month in various scenerios (bullpen, batting practice, sim games, etc). Kerry with 2 starts in AZ, the plan with Mark apparently is 1. then 2 rehab starts for Kerry, and the plan for Prior is 2 rehab starts.

 

its the same thing, sans one AZ start, and Prior isn't recovering from surgery.

 

a week ago we argued that it wouldn't be possible for Wood to get his pitch count up in 2 rehab starts, and you were right. why do you not have the confidence that Prior can do the same thing?

[Jon]

If they only go with 1 start in AZ and 2 rehab starts, I'll scratch my head. Are they that desperate to push him faster than Wood (from when Kerry started throwing to rookies)?

 

I don't understand how this is pushing him faster than Wood. both threw 45 pitches at a time for a month in various scenerios (bullpen, batting practice, sim games, etc). Kerry with 2 starts in AZ, the plan with Mark apparently is 1. then 2 rehab starts for Kerry, and the plan for Prior is 2 rehab starts.

 

its the same thing, sans one AZ start, and Prior isn't recovering from surgery.

 

a week ago we argued that it wouldn't be possible for Wood to get his pitch count up in 2 rehab starts, and you were right. why do you not have the confidence that Prior can do the same thing?

I believe they lowered Kerry's pitch count from the last simulated game to his first game against rookies, then raised it in his second. That won't really happen with Prior.

 

It's not really an issue of the injury for me, but if there was question about his arm strength (still able to throw the pitches but not with as much velocity as you'd expect) lagging behind a little bit, why not give him 2 and 2 in a competitive situation? Of course, that may very well happen, but that was in regards to previous speculation that he'd only do 1 and 2.

 

May not be a big deal, but if you've come this far and he's nearly ready, I'd personally like to see another start in there. Maybe not so much as to build up his pitch count, but just to make sure his arm strength is there. If he makes good progress in this start, then great.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Think Marshall's value is high enough that he could be the centerpiece in a Miguel Cabrera trade?

 

If the Marlins decided they wanted to trade Cabrera, yes.

 

I also think his value could be high enough to get Milledge from the Mets.

 

I wonder if the Devil Rays would trade the toubled Young for him... :-k

[Jon]

Well, doesn't matter. He'll throw four innings against the rookies next time out and Miller will throw two innings on Monday, according to Cubs.com

[Laura]

It's not really an issue of the injury for me, but if there was question about his arm strength (still able to throw the pitches but not with as much velocity as you'd expect) lagging behind a little bit, why not give him 2 and 2 in a competitive situation? Of course, that may very well happen, but that was in regards to previous speculation that he'd only do 1 and 2.

 

May not be a big deal, but if you've come this far and he's nearly ready, I'd personally like to see another start in there. Maybe not so much as to build up his pitch count, but just to make sure his arm strength is there. If he makes good progress in this start, then great.

 

 

I'm not very optimistic about Prior's rehab.

 

At this point, I really hope they're considering his long-term outlook in terms of recovering from whatever is ailing him -- whether it's the muscle strain/tear or something more.

 

The Sun-Times[/url]"]Prior is scheduled to throw four innings in another rookie-league game Wednesday in Arizona, double his output from Friday in his first rookie-league appearance this year.

 

But the real issue is how soon he can show more velocity. He has been average so far, and that needs to improve for him to make a speedy return to the Cubs.

[Sammy Sofa]

That is a terrible sign.

[YearofDaCubs]

It's not really an issue of the injury for me, but if there was question about his arm strength (still able to throw the pitches but not with as much velocity as you'd expect) lagging behind a little bit, why not give him 2 and 2 in a competitive situation? Of course, that may very well happen, but that was in regards to previous speculation that he'd only do 1 and 2.

 

May not be a big deal, but if you've come this far and he's nearly ready, I'd personally like to see another start in there. Maybe not so much as to build up his pitch count, but just to make sure his arm strength is there. If he makes good progress in this start, then great.

 

 

I'm not very optimistic about Prior's rehab.

 

At this point, I really hope they're considering his long-term outlook in terms of recovering from whatever is ailing him -- whether it's the muscle strain/tear or something more.

 

The Sun-Times[/url]"]Prior is scheduled to throw four innings in another rookie-league game Wednesday in Arizona, double his output from Friday in his first rookie-league appearance this year.

 

But the real issue is how soon he can show more velocity. He has been average so far, and that needs to improve for him to make a speedy return to the Cubs.

So Wood has come back from shoulder surgery and has lost velocity and now that Prior is rehabbing there is concern for a loss of velocity? Geez, this is bad.

[Soul]

I just had a feeling this would be the case. You can't continually visit the DL time after time without there being a long term effect eventually.

 

Same with Wood.

[Laura]

Will Carroll has a mention of Prior and Wood in his BP column (subscription required) today.

 

He expects Wood's shoulder soreness to get better over time "given the proper rest." He also refers to Wood as a "new father" ... I know the Woods were expecting a baby, I missed the news that the baby had arrived.

 

He mentions the idea that Prior's lost velocity may be due to reluctance on Prior's part to "letting it go" and that this is common among pitchers returning from injury. Prior will probably get another rookie level start, then head to the minors for 2 rehab starts.

[badger1679666666]

Alright, lets just rehab him all year so he can develop a bionic arm. We don't need him this year, unless he's gonna hit.

[da bears]

Is there any way to just let Prior rehab without pitching this year and hoping for the best next year? I know he'd still probably be fine up until spring training next year but still. This season's going nowhere, why risk injuring Prior even more.

[Jon]

Will Carroll has a mention of Prior and Wood in his BP column (subscription required) today.

 

He expects Wood's shoulder soreness to get better over time "given the proper rest." He also refers to Wood as a "new father" ... I know the Woods were expecting a baby, I missed the news that the baby had arrived.

 

He mentions the idea that Prior's lost velocity may be due to reluctance on Prior's part to "letting it go" and that this is common among pitchers returning from injury. Prior will probably get another rookie level start, then head to the minors for 2 rehab starts.

I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but they had a baby boy sometime in the weeks after the convention.

[jtownie]

Will Carroll has a mention of Prior and Wood in his BP column (subscription required) today.

 

He expects Wood's shoulder soreness to get better over time "given the proper rest." He also refers to Wood as a "new father" ... I know the Woods were expecting a baby, I missed the news that the baby had arrived.

 

He mentions the idea that Prior's lost velocity may be due to reluctance on Prior's part to "letting it go" and that this is common among pitchers returning from injury. Prior will probably get another rookie level start, then head to the minors for 2 rehab starts.

I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but they had a baby boy sometime in the weeks after the convention.

 

I believe they named him Justin. I only remember that since it's my name.

[Laura]

Thanks! I didn't know when the due date was.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Will Carroll has a mention of Prior and Wood in his BP column (subscription required) today.

 

He expects Wood's shoulder soreness to get better over time "given the proper rest." He also refers to Wood as a "new father" ... I know the Woods were expecting a baby, I missed the news that the baby had arrived.

 

He mentions the idea that Prior's lost velocity may be due to reluctance on Prior's part to "letting it go" and that this is common among pitchers returning from injury. Prior will probably get another rookie level start, then head to the minors for 2 rehab starts.

I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but they had a baby boy sometime in the weeks after the convention.

 

They named him Sportin.

[badger1679666666]

Will Carroll has a mention of Prior and Wood in his BP column (subscription required) today.

 

He expects Wood's shoulder soreness to get better over time "given the proper rest." He also refers to Wood as a "new father" ... I know the Woods were expecting a baby, I missed the news that the baby had arrived.

 

He mentions the idea that Prior's lost velocity may be due to reluctance on Prior's part to "letting it go" and that this is common among pitchers returning from injury. Prior will probably get another rookie level start, then head to the minors for 2 rehab starts.

I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but they had a baby boy sometime in the weeks after the convention.

 

They named him Sportin.

 

I heard it the name was Mornin.

[Sammy Sofa]

Prior "pitching scared" sounds about right given what the guy has gone through, in terms of injuries, bad coaches and the flat-out bad team he is on now. The guy's mind is probably his own worst enemy. I'm all for using this year as a full time rehab session for him if it means getting him back at or damn close to 100% next year. Use a healthy Prior and Z as your aces and build around them.