Wouldn't Dunn Look Nice in Leftfield?

[Burtonbell]

Look, I'd like to have Adam Dunn in our outfield as much as anyone else but...

 

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[Diffusion]

Why is it being assumed that just because Krivsky used to work alongside someone that didn't own a true power hitter for a good number of years that Adam Dunn is all of a sudden going to be put on the trading block?

 

Has it already been established that the Twins purposefully avoided power, as opposed to them just finding it hard to come by? And, if so, has it been established that Krivsky endorsed such a policy?

 

Short of those grounds being established, my suspicion is that this is actually going to make Adam Dunn even harder to acquire if we should desire. Krivsky can hardly be worse than O'Brien, and if he does a good job and looks to be on the right track, moving the Reds back towards competiton again, Dunn could be more inclined to at some stage sign a deal that keeps him with the Reds beyond looming free agency after 2007.

 

Furthermore, I think there's every reason to think that O'Brien undervalued Adam Dunn, looking probably too predominantly at his average and his strikeouts. Bringing in some new, whoever it is, carries with it the risk that that will change, and that the Front Office will come to a better evaluation of the value Dunn holds, which is pretty considerable.

 

After the Sean Casey trade the Reds also no longer have a surplus of starting outfielders, what with Dunn moving to first base. Out there they'll now lineup Kearns, Griffey and Mo Pena. If anything, given Griffey's fragility, not to mention his God-awful defence that really ought to necessitate a trade to a team where he can DH, plus the uselessness of their farm system, the last thing the Reds ought to be doing is moving a player like Dunn that can passably defend an outfield position, not unless they're getting a Gold-Glove centre-fielder, a replacement starting first baseman and a stack of pitching in return for him. Especially pitching, especially of the high impact variety.

[rjchapma]

I think that Dunn is a hell of a power hitter, but honestly i dont think we need him its not worth it. To many strikeouts, he's Sosa not on steroids. Personally id rather take Freel from them and put him at two and we'd have to give up way less for him. I'm not a Dunn fan mater of fact not a Reds fan besides Griffey, but hes old and hasn't been healthy. Freel could be good though. If we didn't have two power hitters who hit just as good as him and struck out more then I'd do it.

[goonys evil twin]

I think that Dunn is a hell of a power hitter, but honestly i dont think we need him its not worth it. To many strikeouts, he's Sosa not on steroids. Personally id rather take Freel from them and put him at two and we'd have to give up way less for him. I'm not a Dunn fan mater of fact not a Reds fan besides Griffey, but hes old and hasn't been healthy. Freel could be good though. If we didn't have two power hitters who hit just as good as him and struck out more then I'd do it.

 

What difference do his strikeouts make if he is productive?

 

Answer, none.

[Drew Doughty]

I think that Dunn is a hell of a power hitter, but honestly i dont think we need him its not worth it. To many strikeouts, he's Sosa not on steroids.

 

It's not worth it? What's not worth it? I'd give up alot to get Dunn. With a broken hand he put up a .540 slg last year. He has a great obp, would fit the bill of a left handed power hitter that Hendry wanted. His only real downside is his defense (I think. I can't remember, actually.) Does he K alot? Yes, but I think his ability to be great at other facets of the game makes up for that by a wide margin. He can play the OF and back up Lee if necessary.

[rjchapma]

I just dont think hes worth giving um top prospects for him when hes a not a great feilder and he strikes out alot. Thats what sosa was thats the only comparison im making. I think we need a table setter rather than another big bat. Honestly check out Sosa and his numbers and compare them they are pretty similar. Im just not a fan i respect your guys opinions im not tryin to start something

[Diffusion]

I just dont think hes worth giving um top prospects for him when hes a not a great feilder and he strikes out alot. Thats what sosa was thats the only comparison im making. I think we need a table setter rather than another big bat. Honestly check out Sosa and his numbers and compare them they are pretty similar. Im just not a fan i respect your guys opinions im not tryin to start something

 

Because Sosa was so bad for the Cubs.

[goonys evil twin]

I just dont think hes worth giving um top prospects for him when hes a not a great feilder and he strikes out alot. Thats what sosa was thats the only comparison im making. I think we need a table setter rather than another big bat. Honestly check out Sosa and his numbers and compare them they are pretty similar. Im just not a fan i respect your guys opinions im not tryin to start something

 

Again, who cares about strikeouts?

 

The Cubs are desperate for a big bat, and corner OF is the most logical place for it. They have a lot of weak hitters right now. If Lee and Aram go 3/4, they have nobody capable of filling the 5 spot appropriately. Dunn would be perfect anywhere from 3-5 on this team.

[jtownie]

I think that Dunn is a hell of a power hitter, but honestly i dont think we need him its not worth it. To many strikeouts, he's Sosa not on steroids.

 

It's not worth it? What's not worth it? I'd give up alot to get Dunn. With a broken hand he put up a .540 slg last year. He has a great obp, would fit the bill of a left handed power hitter that Hendry wanted. His only real downside is his defense (I think. I can't remember, actually.) Does he K alot? Yes, but I think his ability to be great at other facets of the game makes up for that by a wide margin. He can play the OF and back up Lee if necessary.

 

His only real negative is his defense but I don't believe it's much less of a hinderance than Murtons. Besides, his offensive production far outweighs his defense liability.

Wasn't there an article recently on hardballtimes or BP or somewhere that indicated Dunn's low BA was actually due to bad luck with BABIP?

Dunn is also only 2 years older than Murton as he just turned 26 in Nov. Dunn is exactly what this team needs.

[rjchapma]

Whyd we want to get rid of him so bad. yeah he hit a [expletive] load of homeruns, but he didnt fit the team he was all or nothing sucked at defense,rbi's,strikeouts, had a horrible arm and just was not a good player in the clubhouse. I dont know if Dunn is a team player, but he's pretty similar in those aspects of Sosa. I didn't like Sosa the second i realized he was a cancer to the clubhouse. Well see what happens i just dont agree that he would fit the team if we want to make a run for the playoffs this year.

[jtownie]

I just dont think hes worth giving um top prospects for him when hes a not a great feilder and he strikes out alot. Thats what sosa was thats the only comparison im making. I think we need a table setter rather than another big bat. Honestly check out Sosa and his numbers and compare them they are pretty similar. Im just not a fan i respect your guys opinions im not tryin to start something

 

Because Sosa was so bad for the Cubs.

 

Yeah, especially those 3 years where he hit 60+ HR per year. Who needs a guy like that on the team?

[Diffusion]

I just dont think hes worth giving um top prospects for him when hes a not a great feilder and he strikes out alot. Thats what sosa was thats the only comparison im making. I think we need a table setter rather than another big bat. Honestly check out Sosa and his numbers and compare them they are pretty similar. Im just not a fan i respect your guys opinions im not tryin to start something

 

Because Sosa was so bad for the Cubs.

 

Yeah, especially those 3 years where he hit 60+ HR per year. Who needs a guy like that on the team?

 

The Nationals.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Whyd we want to get rid of him so bad. yeah he hit a **** load of homeruns, but he didnt fit the team he was all or nothing sucked at defense,rbi's,strikeouts, had a horrible arm and just was not a good player in the clubhouse. I dont know if Dunn is a team player, but he's pretty similar in those aspects of Sosa. I didn't like Sosa the second i realized he was a cancer to the clubhouse. Well see what happens i just dont agree that he would fit the team if we want to make a run for the playoffs this year.

 

Sammy hit a wall and was on a serious decline in production. Dunn is approaching his prime. Two completely different points in their careers.

[goonys evil twin]

Whyd we want to get rid of him so bad. yeah he hit a [expletive] load of homeruns, but he didnt fit the team he was all or nothing sucked at defense,rbi's,strikeouts, had a horrible arm and just was not a good player in the clubhouse. I dont know if Dunn is a team player, but he's pretty similar in those aspects of Sosa. I didn't like Sosa the second i realized he was a cancer to the clubhouse. Well see what happens i just dont agree that he would fit the team if we want to make a run for the playoffs this year.

 

Well, I see you bought the propaganda.

 

Sosa was bad at RBI's? They wanted to get rid of him so bad because he was done, not Dunn, who has a lot left in the tank.

[jtownie]

I just dont think hes worth giving um top prospects for him when hes a not a great feilder and he strikes out alot. Thats what sosa was thats the only comparison im making. I think we need a table setter rather than another big bat. Honestly check out Sosa and his numbers and compare them they are pretty similar. Im just not a fan i respect your guys opinions im not tryin to start something

 

Because Sosa was so bad for the Cubs.

 

Yeah, especially those 3 years where he hit 60+ HR per year. Who needs a guy like that on the team?

 

The Nationals.

 

yeah, it's just too bad they are getting the "lesser" version of sammy...if he even goes there. He's still mulling that offer for some reason.

[rjchapma]

he would fit nicely on any team at the 5 spot, but i jsut dont think hes worth giving him what we would have to to get him. Thats all !!!! we'd be giving up way to much if we got him.

[rjchapma]

RedKerrIsOld [3:28 PM]: who knows... i think u'd need to give up a lot to get him

RedKerrIsOld [3:28 PM]: jones/pie/prospect might not get the job done

Rchap24 [3:29 PM]: yeah i know

Rchap24 [3:29 PM]: and i dont want him

Rchap24 [3:29 PM]: hes wouldnt be that great of addition hes sosa but never took roids

RedKerrIsOld [3:31 PM]: ha

RedKerrIsOld [3:31 PM]: like he's good for some teams, not the cubs

Rchap24 [3:32 PM]: exactly

Rchap24 [3:33 PM]: its not worth giving that much up for a number 5 hitter

 

thats just my opinion and he agrees with me. Im not sayin hes a bad player just not that great of a fit for what we would have to give up.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Well, if RedKerrIsOld agrees, then Dunn must be a bum. C'mon.

[goonys evil twin]

Dunn would be a great fit for the Cubs, and the price would probably be worth it. They don't have any must keep prospects. All their best prospects are at positions where they already have guys in place, and those guys are all relatively young.

 

If you have to give up the entire farm, then no, but if you give up a major league arm other than the studs, and a few prospects, it would be well worth it.

[Diffusion]

Wasn't there an article recently on hardballtimes or BP or somewhere that indicated Dunn's low BA was actually due to bad luck with BABIP?

 

Dunn's BABIP in 2005 was .279. So, yes, it was lower than you'd expect given that he was a career .297 hitter on balls in play going into last year (and now he's at .292 career), but the impact wasn't that significant. The real and not so secret reason why he can't hit for average is that he strikes out far too much for that.

[Drew Doughty]

Then stick Dunn in the three hole, and his OBP makes him a table-setter. Lee and ARam behind him and your 3-5 spot is among the best in baseball.

 

Walker and Pierre makes for a good 1-2 punch (if Walker is still on the team). Then hopefully Hairston would be 2 on the depth chart at 2b and he would be fine in the 2 spot and you still have 2 good table setters. We don't need another one, that would be stupid.

 

On a side-note, Sammy was crazy good in 01. 1174 OPS = :shock:

[rjchapma]

dude honestly listen to my point Dunn is a good power hitter. He would look nice on any team at as a 5 hitter. I just dont think he would be worth giving up what we initally would have to give up to get him. We mostly likely wouldnt be able to get him for just jones,pie, and another pitching prospect. I think whats more important is adding someone up the middle who can bat 2nd and or another starter. I know miller,rusch, and williams will try to fill the role, but i think we need to sign weaver or someone else so we have a full rotation. well see though what happens I say if we see what is offered from the reds then i can change my desicion, but until then what ive heard from people on here i dont like the amount we are giving away to get him.

 

again believe me i'd like to add Dunn, but i just dont think hes worth what we would have to give up.

[Diffusion]

RedKerrIsOld [3:28 PM]: who knows... i think u'd need to give up a lot to get him

RedKerrIsOld [3:28 PM]: jones/pie/prospect might not get the job done

Rchap24 [3:29 PM]: yeah i know

Rchap24 [3:29 PM]: and i dont want him

Rchap24 [3:29 PM]: hes wouldnt be that great of addition hes sosa but never took roids

RedKerrIsOld [3:31 PM]: ha

RedKerrIsOld [3:31 PM]: like he's good for some teams, not the cubs

Rchap24 [3:32 PM]: exactly

Rchap24 [3:33 PM]: its not worth giving that much up for a number 5 hitter

 

thats just my opinion and he agrees with me. Im not sayin hes a bad player just not that great of a fit for what we would have to give up.

 

THIS SETTLES IT!

[goonys evil twin]

dude honestly listen to my point Dunn is a good power hitter. He would look nice on any team at as a 5 hitter. I just dont think he would be worth giving up what we initally would have to give up to get him. We mostly likely wouldnt be able to get him for just jones,pie, and another pitching prospect. I think whats more important is adding someone up the middle who can bat 2nd and or another starter. I know miller,rusch, and williams will try to fill the role, but i think we need to sign weaver or someone else so we have a full rotation. well see though what happens I say if we see what is offered from the reds then i can change my desicion, but until then what ive heard from people on here i dont like the amount we are giving away to get him.

 

again believe me i'd like to add Dunn, but i just dont think hes worth what we would have to give up.

 

The Cubs have guys who can be adequate 2 hole hitters, they have no 5 hitter. Dunn would be worth almost any reasonable price.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I love Dunn, but dream on...