I'm going to trust Sagarin a hell of a lot more than a biased ND fan's eyes. Like USS? Of wait, he's not an ND fan. You trust sagarin bc it tells you what you want to believe. I trust Sagarin because Sagarin states that the teams are now WELL CONNECTED and so all three ratings are UNBIASED. It also states that ELO_CHESS, only winning and losing matters; the score margin is of no consequence, which makes it very "politically correct". And Sagarin says that K-State SOS is 29, and ND's is 28. ND is one better, but what's criminal is that the VOTERS think Oregon is better because of their flashy costumes and flashy offense. Sagarin says Oregon's SOS is a putrid 45. So, I don't want hear of any junk that "Who did K-State play?" Give me a break. Truthfully, I'd rather have a ND and K-State NC game based of the SOS, since both of those teams played tougher schedules than Oregon did. I'm telling you that my opinion is WELL CONNECTED and UNBIASED and only winning matters, not MOV, so you should believe me. I mean, I'm telling you that. So why wouldn't you believe me? Oh, probably bc you've analyzed Sagarin's exact formula and understand it to be better. Fair enough. Hmm... So if I were to choose a good indidcator that a pitcher is good based of W and L's but ignore his ERA, ERA+ or WHIP, or ignore the W-L but focus on his ERA, ERA+ and WHIP? I'll chose the 2nd choice. I'm done with this silly argument.