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Jake Fox for Pie Pignietello for Marshall Gallagher to the rotation. Fox is guaranteed to be better than Pie?Pignietello is guaranteed to be better than Marshall? Have you even looked at Marshalls stats, or are you just looking at his last 3 starts? Marshall pitched pretty good his last time out, but our manager decided to play the infield in for some dumbass reason. Id doesnt matter what starter you throw out there if your offense can only score 3 runs you arent going to win very often.

Im thinking LLF is about 15 years old, its kind of expected

what a joke

Hes averageing less than 6ip per start, hes not eating innings. Over half his starts hes left before the 6th inning was over, that is asking a lot out of your bullpen, and will tire them quickly.

Pie does not look like a major league batter right now. I'm curious. What does everyone think his numbers will look like next year? I'd be happy with .270/.355/.420, 12 homers, 70 RBI and 25 steals. It all depends on where they bat him. Another overrated prospect. Kerry better start throwing strikes. haha give me a break What has Pie done that shows a guy that will live up to the hype? Seriously, please explain. Hes 22 years old. Do you know where most 22 year olds are playing baseball? It sure as hell isnt AAA/Majors.

Pie does not look like a major league batter right now. I'm curious. What does everyone think his numbers will look like next year? I'd be happy with .270/.355/.420, 12 homers, 70 RBI and 25 steals. It all depends on where they bat him. Another overrated prospect. Kerry better start throwing strikes. haha give me a break

knock knock knock....Hi Im the Cardinals

We suck

And the Cardinal magic just keeps on going, first with Ankiel, now Ryan freaking Ludwig? Are you kidding me? The Cards are starting 2 of their normal starters today(Pujols and Eckstein) and they are up 3-0 in the first innning on a Ludwig 3 run HR.

Kendalls been good with the bat lately and Im glad, but he better not be back next year, and he apparently would like to come back. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070811cubsbits,1,5789312.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

Hes not a 5th starter, hes a number 3. No he is not. He is 4th at best in this rotation. Zambrano Lilly Marquis Hill Marshall is how the rotation is set. Hes number 3 in the rotation and is paid like a number 3, its not that difficult to see. LOL what a reach. Earlier in this thread you made a big point of how silly it is to harp on a guy's spot in the rotation. Now you're clinging to it as your argument crumbles with each new post showing how wrong you are. Look Marquis was signed to eat innings and provide a league-averageish ERA at the back of the rotation, behind Z, Lilly, Hill at least, and possibly behind another developing youngster (Guzman, Marshall being the top two contenders at the time Marquis was signed). Wanna argue that Marquis is not providing exactly what he was signed to provide? That $7M sure seems like money well spent when you consider what this team suffered through last year using unproven/unready kids at the back end when there was nobody like Marquis around. Is reading really that hard for you? Everybody else was commenting on the spot in the rotation that is the only reason I said anything, but you can keep picking and choosing little bits and pieces to try making your argument. Marquis isnt eating innings either so that argument is bs.

Hes not a 5th starter, hes a number 3. No he is not. He is 4th at best in this rotation. Zambrano Lilly Marquis Hill Marshall is how the rotation is set. Hes number 3 in the rotation and is paid like a number 3, its not that difficult to see.

Hes not a 5th starter, hes a number 3.

How did I know this thread would be posted in. Whats funny is I said he will give the Cubs a nice 1 run outing every now and then, but its the crappers in between those games that is the problem. Come bump this thread when hes given up 3 runs or less in 3 starts in a row, Im willing to bet, this thread wont get posted in again if thats the case.

Ill bet you a years worth of premium that doesnt happen, we have to luck into at least 1 win

I read an article last week or so comparing Ceda to Lee Smith, is that even a valid comparison, or is it just another writer not knowing what they are talking about?

Pie Starting? LOL Pie is here as a defensive replacement

So I just got home see the Cubs still suck, and that we have called up our top prospect to be a defensive replacement....Why the hell do I like this team?

You were the one that made this issue relevant with your misinformed statement that "teams dont pay 7 million a year for a 5th starter." That's untrue. Many teams do, and are, as I just showed, and you now concede with your comment about "alot of stupid GM's." Marquis' 2006 stats are indeed included in my analysis. Go back and read again. The point I've made repeatedly, and you've missed repeatedly, is that just maybe 2006 is the anomaly, and 2004 and 2005 is the norm. Similarly, perhaps the handful of 2007 starts that you're so worked up over are anomalous too, and what Marquis showed over his first dozen or so starts is the norm. You've yet to even address, let alone disprove this hypothesis. Earlier you asked, why is it so hard for people to understand trends? I guess my response should've been, why is it so easy for people like you to misunderstand/misapply trends. Let me ask you point blank. What do you think Marquis' ERA will be over his 8 or 10 starts to close out the regular season? Just give me a number. 6.00? 8.75? 15.00? What does your fancy trend analysis tell you that number is going to be? Did you even read my post? The guys you have listed as 5th starters arent even 5th starters. Marquis has been on a steady decline every year since 04, that is the trend. He posted an era over 6 over full season last year, and if he continues(which is very likely) he is going to end up with an era over 5. Thats not good.

So, we have a new defensive replacement and hes our top prospect. This organization is full of dumbasses.

I think she is either 14 or 15 years old....javascript:emoticon(':- Whistle

The only hope I have(and its pretty small) is Lou last night in his PC said hes concerned with the offense as well, and maybe this was a subtle hint for Hendry to go get a big bat somehow thru waivers.

Its getting comical now seriously. I really wonder what games they are watching with some of the comments regarding Marshall.

Exactly. Its funny alot of people here including myself could see the holes in this offense, which is why we were wanting a big bat so bad, but our own GM says things like"Im hopeful Cliff Floyd finds his power stroke" "I like our offense, we have been scoring runs real well the last month" Hey Jim try a little forward thinking, and take things as a whole, instead of a 1 month hot streak.

That begs the question, why is it hard for you to comprehend that perhaps the correct explanation here is that Marquis' stats are skewed by his July numbers (6.29 ERA in 6 starts), and the guy we saw from April through June (3.46 in 16 starts) is the "real" Marquis? If you want to throw out a stretch of starts as being anomalous, and look at the rest as being more representative of what everyone should expect going forward, then why is it that you choose to throw out three months and 16 starts' worth of results, and keep one month and 6 starts' worth? And while I'm at it, why should we expect Marquis' 2006 season (6.02 ERA) to be the proper benchmark for his future production, and not his 2005 (4.13) or 2004 (3.71) seasons? Why is it so hard for people to understand trends? He has been on a downward spiral for 3 months now, but people still refer to his April 2.35 ERA, but then ignore the fact that every month since then has progressively gotten worse. The odds are that he continues getting worse, and not goes back to his April, or even May. If the situation was reversed and he had started the season pitching the way he is now, and then turned it around and was pitching lights out then I could understand the thought of him continuing it. However thats not the case and right now all we can hope for is the offense to score alot of runs in his starts, or Lou gets tired of watching him get rocked, and they give Gallagher his shot. And please quit saying Marquis is a 5th starter. Teams dont pay 7 million a year for a 5th starter, and right now he is slotted in the #3 starter. Why is it so hard for people to understand the problems inherent with small sample sizes? You're focused on 6 starts, and calling it a "trend". Meanwhile you're ignoring some much more reliable and meaningful statistics that are rooted in much larger sample sizes, to wit: - a 3.71 ERA over 32 starts in 2004 - a 4.13 ERA over 32 starts in 2005 - a 3.46 ERA over his first 16 starts in 2007 - an "all in" ERA of 4.56 covering every last one of his 120 starts from 2004 to present. And you must be joking if you don't think large-market teams like the Cubs are forking out $7M/yr or more for #5 quality starters. As evidence I give you Matt Clement (BOS), Kei Igawa and/or Carl Pavano and/or Andy Pettitte (NYY), Randy Wolf (LAD), Jose Contreras (CHW), Bartolo Colon (LAA), Ramon Ortiz (SF now), Jeff Weaver and/or Jarrod Washburn (SEA), Adam Eaton and/or Freddy Garcia and/or Jon Lieber and/or Jamie Moyer (PHI), etc. etc. Wake up and smell the coffee, bud. Here in 2007, plenty of guys a lot worse than Marquis has been are getting paid even more than he is. Where am I focusing on 6 starts? He has 12 starts in June-Aug with an average ERA for those months of 6.6 And if you think half the guys on your list are number 5's then I would really really like some of what you are smoking. Randy Wolf? Jose Contreras? Bartolo Colon? Jamie Moyer? Andy Pettite? Seriously the whole numbering of starters is ignorant. And I really could care less if people are getting paid more than Marquis and sucking as bad or more than him, they arent on the team I root for. And even if thats the case so what, all it says is there are alot of stupid GM's in MLB, thats not breaking news. So you need to wake up and smell the coffee Oh and why did you leave out 2006 in those numbers? It wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that he had a 6.02 ERA that year, and it would really throw a wrench in your argument would it? Good job trying to manipulate the stats in your favor, and because of that Im done having a conversation with you knowing you cant even provide an honest debate. Also do you not see the trend in his stats from 2004-present? Ill let you see if you can figure out just what that trend is. Hint: Its not good.