Hairyducked Idiot
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Okay, simple question. 29 other starting QBs in the league. How many of them, swapped into the 2009 Bears offense, have better seasons than Cutler's?
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No, I'm saying the 2008 and 2009 Bears had pretty much the same offensive personnel. And the combo of Orton/Grossman vs. Cutler came out to the difference I stated: 600 yards, 7 touchdowns, 14 interceptions. I'd rather have the performance we got out of Orton/Grossman in 2008 than the one we got out of Cutler in 2009, and "Orton was better under similar circumstances" is about the worst thing I can think of to say about a quarterback.
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Of course. I've never said it couldn't. But I am saying that I expect a "franchise quarterback" to be better than that *regardless* of who is around him. List the guys in the league who you think are "franchise quarterbacks" and imagine swapping them into the 2009 Bears. How many of them have better seasons than Cutler's? I'm imagining a lot. We swapped out Orton/Grossman for Cutler. We got 600 extra yards, 7 extra touchdown passes and 14 extra interceptions with pretty close to the same offensive personnel. That's not enough better to justify the idea that Cutler is a franchise quarterback going forward. He might be, but in my opinion, most of you are way too confident that it will happen.
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Is he a franchise quarterback? That's still up in the air, at best.
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Of course he can turn it around. And I'm saying when you give up two first-round picks and a large contract, it's reasonable to expect more than "can turn it around."
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Translation: I have no real argument here, but I secretly hope the other posters laugh when I post mean things because it makes me feel like one of the cool kids.
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That's not even close to true. So when Cutler first went on the market, lots of teams thought two first-round picks was good value?
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So because the Bears turned into a bad team from poor drafting, they should just stop trying to draft good players, despite the fact that drafting good players in the first round has been pretty much the only way anyone ever built a championship-caliber team in the last two or three decades?
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Yes. People who dislike quarterbacks who lead the league in interceptions are just having agendas, whereas fans of a team who insist that everything is okay are the objective ones.
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And to pretend that the 26 INTs he threw last year isn't out of line with his history is insane. Meanwhile, he's gone 20, 25 and 27 TDs the last three years and had almost no weapons surrounding him last year along with a horrible offensive line. You can't be serious, Kyle. You can't be serious. Before the season, if Bears fans had been asked if a 26-INT season would be okay, there's no way they would have said yes. But now that it happened, it's too painful to just admit how awful Cutler was, so it's got to be rationalized. Yes, the rest of the offense was bad. But there's no amount of awful surrounding a quarterback that makes the kind of season Cutler had to be okay. And it's not as if this were an uncontroversial move. A lot of people, including most of the rest of the NFL, thought the Bears paid way too much for Cutler. Then he went out and was even worse than expected.
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He set the franchise record for interceptions. And we gave up two first-round picks. Sure, it's theoretically possible that he'll become so awesome so as to make it worth it. But to pretend it's not an uphill battle from here is to be sticking your head in the sand.
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We traded two first-round picks for a guy who threw 26 interceptions.
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Agreed. I'm not saying it absolutely won't work. I'm just more cautiously optimistic than deliriously happy. Been burned too many times before. (Nomar, Wallace, Soriano, Campbell, Cutler).
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Good grief...now McGwire's little brother is...
Hairyducked Idiot replied to Magdal's topic in General Baseball Talk
Millions, imo. -
The Vikings were already defending division champions.
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Are there examples of it working? I'm not as up-to-date on the Bears' offseason as most, but I don't see any offensive linemen on the list of targets.
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Bradley still running his mouth
Hairyducked Idiot replied to Backtobanks's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
The fact that some ballplayer who doesn't play for the team anymore is a malcontent nutjob is not my problem. What is my problem is the fact that the Cubs organization is using him as the latest scapegoat and convenient excuse in order to avoid taking a serious and honest look at the way they conduct their business. -
Nonetheless, committing tons of money to 30-year-old football players who aren't QBs is risky, risky business.
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ST: 3/4 Other Games
Hairyducked Idiot replied to Prizefight's topic in Fred Hornkohl Game Thread Forum
With Hit F/X and all the talk about the Mariners and stuff, I'm all jazzed about defense, but in about six ST innings across various games, I haven't seen a single play I thought a good defender could have made a difference on. So that settles it, it's all a fraud. -
Castro triple to left-center. Leadoff on opening day, plz.
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Flied out in his first at-bat, made some sort of contact out in his second. I only recall one ball hit to him, which he fielded cleanly.
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That makes all the other homers feel less impressive.
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Snyderbomb
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I don't know how you can call him a "4.4 YPC guy" when he's failed to make that four of the last five seasons.
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I'm not seeing how Chester Taylor is all that good.