That's great and all, and I like Nate, but when it comes to soccer I (and a host of others) know a lot more than you think we do. Besides, even if we just stipulate his 9% number, that is still a significant increase. Moreover, you haven't rebutted the points that US, Wolf and I have made regarding England playing the rest of the matches. Because I don't think that's likely to make a difference either. England's last game is the fifth game, not the sixth, so it'd be hard for them to have already clinched the group before that match. Although at this point the permutations are making my head hurt so maybe I'm goofing that up.