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Fields has a massive processing problem. I don't know if it's good news or bad news. He clearly knows the playbook. He's making pre snap reads and his eyes are usually where they are supposed to be. But whatever is supposed to fire in his brain and say "there it is throw the ball" doesn't fire on a lot of plays. I don't know if that's less or more fixable than not knowing the playbook

I would have zero problem trading down out of a top 5 pick. We need so much.

Also true

That foursome went 1-3 vs the Packers 2017 team is irrelevant bc it was awful. The 2018 team should've been 2-0 against them but they choked and least some of that was on the defense so whatever. Rodgers hopped up on pain killers made one of the best throws I've ever seen but they never should've been in that position. So 2017 was awful despite having an acknowledged good defensive backs. And 2018 did well but ultimately lost to a team with an elite offensive weapon, which trumped our DBs. Yep. That's kinda my point. Can't wait to have a great secondary in 2023

Eddie Jackson, Kyle Fuller, Adrian Amos, and Prince Amukamara would like words. I was so focused on the QB at that time, I forgot about them. They were fun too That foursome went 1-3 vs the Packers

We get eaten alive by GB when we have a strong secondary too. Let's be the team that the rest of the division needs a strong secondary against for once Lol wut The last time we had a decent secondary it was lead by Peanut Tillman, before that Mike Brown. We get eaten alive against GB a lot because our secondary is usually...not great Peanut Tillman went 10-16 against the Packers in his career. But we keep chasing that defensive high

We don't have to speculate whether or not he will try to build an O. He had an entire offseason and chose not to build an O. You just don't want to see what's right in front of us. He was tanking. The monent you make your first draft pick, you're building your vision for what comes on the other side of the tank.

We don't have to speculate whether or not he will try to build an O. He had an entire offseason and chose not to build an O. You just don't want to see what's right in front of us.

Not all needs are equally important You still need to judge talent equally. In our division, if you don't have a strong secondary you will get eaten alive by both GB and MN. It wasn't stupid to draft DB-DB, but to not find adequate prospects for the WR position has been a miss. I'm holding out hope for Harry, but he might still become Kevin White We get eaten alive by GB when we have a strong secondary too. Let's be the team that the rest of the division needs a strong secondary against for once

I don't think they're busts. I just don't care if they're good, we needed offense. Its year 1 rebuild, they needed a lot of things Kyle. Not all needs are equally important

Weird how I said that exactly what has happened would happen then I dont think the book is written on Gordan and Brisker yet, so you cant say they were busts, even as often as I could get frustrated with Gordan myself. I do share your frustration on not drafting a WR in the 2nd. I don't think they're busts. I just don't care if they're good, we needed offense.

DB-DB-KR-value OL is a disastrous draft from a long-term standpoint. I don't want value OL, I want OL in the top two rounds. I don't want a gadget player when we don't have WR1-3 in place. And I definitely don't want our first two picks to be defense. Even your first draft, you're establishing which positions you think are high-priority and which ones you can try to get cheap with. I hate his choices. Yea there really isn't a good justification for any of those takes, other than perhaps being a traumatized Bears fan. Weird how I said that exactly what has happened would happen then

He had an entire draft and free agency period to start establishing what kind of players he wanted and what kind of team he was building toward. His free agency was indicative of he wanting to wait a year mostly. Maybe grade him on intent of Ogunjobi, but since it actually didn't go through I'll give him a break. Again tankity tank. Not sure what the issue with the draft is. Lacking a scenario like spending a top 20 pick on a guard or something... It was fine. Grade the outcome in 2 years, but the design/approach was fine from a rebuilding perspective. (I'm on the side that they shouldn't have forced any position in the draft for Fields-that's what FA was for, but I think in this context we're trying to establish general team building philosophy, not "how he supported Fields). What was your issue with the draft? DB-DB-KR-value OL is a disastrous draft from a long-term standpoint. I don't want value OL, I want OL in the top two rounds. I don't want a gadget player when we don't have WR1-3 in place. And I definitely don't want our first two picks to be defense. Even your first draft, you're establishing which positions you think are high-priority and which ones you can try to get cheap with. I hate his choices.

I like the fact that Poles recognized we needed to tear down the roster and rebuild I hate what he began building You mean... nothing? If you count Mack trade as part of the tear down part, that was really the only major move he made. Nothing else was a significant part of building. There's basically no building move to grade or opine on (at least player wise. I guess you could opine on coaching staff, mostly Eberflus). Presumably those start coming in 2023. He had an entire draft and free agency period to start establishing what kind of players he wanted and what kind of team he was building toward.

Maybe seeing Montgomery takes some time, which, nearly half the time, Fields doesn't have, don't how you can properly evaluate a QB under those conditions. Pressure is a QB's kryptonite no matter who that happens to be, Rodgers, Mahomes et. al. are terrible, fail to see open receivers with lineman constantly in their faces. Occasionally, he has plays without pressure. Not as often as he should, but sometimes. And on those plays, he frequently looks bad.

He had some other candidates for worst throw. There was one in the red zone that landed in front of the WR. There was the one in our own zone that hit a DB in the hands as he was sliding. There was the one that plunked straight off a DL's helmet. The one that hit the DL's helmet was 100% on Patrick's horsefeathers block, and probably why pff scored him in single digits for the night It's uncanny how it's never, ever Fields' fault.

how that was Fields worst throw of the night, and it wasn't only bad because the TE he was throwing to shouldn't be in the NFL. If there is a criticism of JF's throw, its that he could have put more air under the ball instead of such a flat throw. A better criticism might be that the GM has tanked the team around JF, so you get what you get He had some other candidates for worst throw. There was one in the red zone that landed in front of the WR. There was the one in our own zone that hit a DB in the hands as he was sliding. There was the one that plunked straight off a DL's helmet.

Easy comp because it's both Bears GMs, but obviously the general point being that most first year GMs taking over rebuilding teams is basically a pointless eval year. Tankity tank. He's accomplishing that. And not to defend Pace per se, but his *actual* issues that did him in, verse what the standard fan acts like he was couldn't be further disconnected, anyways, IMO. I like the fact that Poles recognized we needed to tear down the roster and rebuild I hate what he began building

Wasn't really a defense of the GM. Just a comment on the disconnect between what fans want and what the GM wants to do. Point is, we wouldn't be upset if Poles started last year and Dalton was supposed to be his QB while Fields developed. But we saw Fields wasted for a year and don't want him wasted and possibly ruined after 2 years. There's 0 defense for intentionally getting a 23 year old QB killed on the field each week. But Poles clearly doesn't care about that as much as we all do. I would be upset. I have been very explicit about what I want from a bears GM for years, and predicted in advance what would go wrong if we didn't do it. We need to build a modern NFL offense and quit getting distracted by the temptation to build a traditional Bears defense/running game team If Fields isn't their guy, then they need to start laying the groundwork for the next guy, and no Braxton Jones doesn't count. Going DB-DB-KR with the first three picks of your regime was criminal, and then having this bizarre attempt to corner the market on run-blocking WRs who can't play WR. If Fields isn't the guy, then they can't draft their guy next year because they'll be putting him into the same awful situation fields is in. So it will be year 3 before we can even get a rookie QB they like, year 4 or 5 before we know if he's any good.

The reddit thread on fields missing the wide open te in the end zone included the comment "Tim Tebow makes that throw" and that one stung

What I'm seeing from fields is that he could be a guy in the right situation. With an average team surrounding him, running for first downs that few other QBs could get and throwing semi-regular bombs would be good enough to be useful. But I don't think he can be our The Guy we've been waiting for, our turn to have an elite QB for a decade-plus.

"hey he's actually just doing what Ryan pace would do" is not a great defense of a GM

Yeah. I don't tend to complain about play calling much. Bad QBs make coaches look like idiots and good ones make them look like geniuses. Similar to in baseball how bullpen quality determines a lot in whether a manager looks smart or dumb

190 yards tonight. 2 for 16

Yeah I thought the Bears were the better team tonight. But not by as much as an actually good team would have been against Washington.