That's the same thing as being on steroids and HGH for years. :roll: Greenies, spit balls, sandpaper, blah, blah, blah - not close to having the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH. Okay, so let me get this straight: It's okay to use illegal, performance-enhancing drugs, as long as you don't use the really good stuff? I never said that but you're fooling yourself if you think greenies had the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH did during the steroid era. Then I guess it's a good thing that I never said that. You are beating up quite the strawman. Okay, tell me this, then: What level and quality of illegal, performance-enhancing drugs does a player have to use before he gets left out of the record book? When is it okay, and when is it not?