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It's also harder to find pitchers who are as good as Schmidt. He's better than Zito. Zito makes a bunch of starts, that's great. It still doesn't mean that he's immune to injury. Schmidt has had very little in the way of injury problems. Yes, he's been ridden hard, but considering how long he's been worked in this fashion, it's not illogical to think he can handle it. Schmidt will likely have less of a market than Zito, is a better pitcher, and isn't a significant injury risk. Zito is a big name pitcher based on what he did before the Cubs even hired Baker. He's been good but not great since, and he won't be worth the contract he signs. As I asked before, how is Schmidt a better pitcher? You have stated this a couple times and haven't backed it up yet. Last three seasons ERA. Schmidt 2005: 4.40 2004: 3.20 2003: 2.34 Zito 2005: 3.86 2004: 4.48 2003: 3.30 Schmidt's numbers look better. Schmidt's ERA has also been consistently rising. I know his ERA this year is 2.84 and Zito's is 3.36 but who's more likely to get tired as the season progresses and watch his ERA grow? Most likely Schmidt. And, as I said before, don't forget about the Zito being in the AL and Schmidt in the NL. ERA+ the last 3 years (03, 04, 05) Schmidt: 183, 139, 94 Zito: 129, 105, 116 Why is Schmidt more likely to tire? It seems you're projecting there based on your own feelings with little facts. And looking at ERA+ for the last season, I notice this. Zito has been above average those seasons, but not necessarily an ace. Schmidt has been better in 2 of the three seasons, and his best blows away Zito. Also, Schmidt's weakest season, while his most recent, was the one he struggled with health issues. Now healthy, his numbers look more in line with his best season... Schmidt has been the better pitcher. Schmidt has been the pitcher that is more likely to dominate a game. For less money and fewer years, Schmidt is still the better choice. As I've stated before, Schmidt is older and a power pitcher. Who is more likely to tire, a guy that throws in the mid to upper 90's on his fastball - and throws a ton of fastballs - or a guy that rarely hits 90? Factor in that the older pitcher also throws harder and you have a guy that is more likely to tire. Also notice that I didn't say he would tire, just that he was more likely too. I'm not opposed to getting Zito. Also, I'm not saying we should pursue Schmidt at all cost. Just looking at ability and projecting the dollars and years likely needed to sign one of them, Schmidt not only is the better pitcher, but likely the better buy. Furthermore, which kind of pitcher is more likely to dominate in the post season? Right---a power pitcher. Furthemore, while run of the mill power pitchers may flame out soon, elite ones seem to hold out a bit longer...ex: Clemens, Ryan, Schilling, Johnson... Schmidt is 32. A three year deal would take him through 36. I think he'll be good for that amount of time. I'd rather pay Schmidt 11-12 million than Zito.

At age 27 in 2000 Schmidt only made 11 starts and had 63.3 IP and at age 28 in 2001 he made 25 starts and had 150.3 IP. Zito at age 27 in 2005 made 35 starts and had 228.3 IP and is 28 right now but has made 16 starts this year and has 104.3 IP. The fact that Zito was better at a younger age says nothing to how good they are now. Recent history indicates that Zito is a good pitcher, Schmidt is a staff ace.

It's also harder to find pitchers who are as good as Schmidt. He's better than Zito. Zito makes a bunch of starts, that's great. It still doesn't mean that he's immune to injury. Schmidt has had very little in the way of injury problems. Yes, he's been ridden hard, but considering how long he's been worked in this fashion, it's not illogical to think he can handle it. Schmidt will likely have less of a market than Zito, is a better pitcher, and isn't a significant injury risk. Zito is a big name pitcher based on what he did before the Cubs even hired Baker. He's been good but not great since, and he won't be worth the contract he signs. As I asked before, how is Schmidt a better pitcher? You have stated this a couple times and haven't backed it up yet. Last three seasons ERA. Schmidt 2005: 4.40 2004: 3.20 2003: 2.34 Zito 2005: 3.86 2004: 4.48 2003: 3.30 Schmidt's numbers look better. Schmidt's ERA has also been consistently rising. I know his ERA this year is 2.84 and Zito's is 3.36 but who's more likely to get tired as the season progresses and watch his ERA grow? Most likely Schmidt. And, as I said before, don't forget about the Zito being in the AL and Schmidt in the NL. ERA+ the last 3 years (03, 04, 05) Schmidt: 183, 139, 94 Zito: 129, 105, 116 Why is Schmidt more likely to tire? It seems you're projecting there based on your own feelings with little facts. And looking at ERA+ for the last season, I notice this. Zito has been above average those seasons, but not necessarily an ace. Schmidt has been better in 2 of the three seasons, and his best blows away Zito. Also, Schmidt's weakest season, while his most recent, was the one he struggled with health issues. Now healthy, his numbers look more in line with his best season... Schmidt has been the better pitcher. Schmidt has been the pitcher that is more likely to dominate a game. For less money and fewer years, Schmidt is still the better choice.

This season: Schmidt- 2.84 ERA, 1.09 WHIP. Zito- 3.36 ERA, 1.27 WHIP. Schmidt > Zito

Schmidt's missed like 5 starts in 5 years. Sorry, but Zito averages around 5 more starts than Schmidt. I was obviously exaggerating(hence the use of "like" and the fact that I spelled out Schmidt's starts the previous post), but there's still nothing showing that Schmidt is an injury risk. He's been among the leaders in pitcher abuse almost every season and he's getting old. Aren't you the same person that said Livan wasn't injury prone even though he's been overworked, yet Schmidt will be even though he hasn't been hurt either? Schmidt is older, has been injured even though not often and relies on velocity. If Schmidt loses something on his fastball halfway through the contract, he could far worse. Zito relies on the curveball and has a rubber arm. So, when Schmidt was Zito's age, how many injuries had he suffered? Was he injury prone then? The fact is we don't know that Zito has a rubber arm. He could still get hurt in year two of a five year deal just as likely that Schmidt would get hurt in year two of a three year deal. Schmidt is the better pitcher. For a little less money and years, I'll take him every time.

It's also harder to find pitchers who are as good as Schmidt. He's better than Zito. Zito makes a bunch of starts, that's great. It still doesn't mean that he's immune to injury. Schmidt has had very little in the way of injury problems. Yes, he's been ridden hard, but considering how long he's been worked in this fashion, it's not illogical to think he can handle it. Schmidt will likely have less of a market than Zito, is a better pitcher, and isn't a significant injury risk. Zito is a big name pitcher based on what he did before the Cubs even hired Baker. He's been good but not great since, and he won't be worth the contract he signs. As I asked before, how is Schmidt a better pitcher? You have stated this a couple times and haven't backed it up yet. Last three seasons ERA. Schmidt 2005: 4.40 2004: 3.20 2003: 2.34 Zito 2005: 3.86 2004: 4.48 2003: 3.30 Schmidt's numbers look better.

And we know Ozzie doesn't fear gays because he goes to WNBA games.

Schmidt's missed like 5 starts in 5 years. Sorry, but Zito averages around 5 more starts than Schmidt. I was obviously exaggerating(hence the use of "like" and the fact that I spelled out Schmidt's starts the previous post), but there's still nothing showing that Schmidt is an injury risk. He's been among the leaders in pitcher abuse almost every season and he's getting old. Aren't you the same person that said Livan wasn't injury prone even though he's been overworked, yet Schmidt will be even though he hasn't been hurt either?

and yet people say Schmidt has been overworked....

Schmidt's missed like 5 starts in 5 years. But his way strenghtens his argument. Why let facts get in the way?

Day games and the grass is too high.

And if they win every series between now and August 2, we'll be at 500.

Zambrano should be out of this game. He complained of a tired arm his last time out. Why push it?

Why? So you can replace one injury-prone pitcher with another? Schmidt may not have the injury history of Kerry Wood, but he's pitched a lot the last few years and is on the downside of his career. And if Dusty is still the manager, he'll never make it past the all-star break of the first year. I'm not really in favor of giving five year deals to pitchers, but Zito is one I would consider. Schmidt has been the better pitcher. He's had some arm troubles, but seems to be quite durable. I think Schmidt is more likely to be a dominating starter than Zito will be.

I think just the opposite will happen. Guillen has shown that he doesn't think he's done anything wrong. In fact, I fully expect him to continue to spew ridiculous things at an alarming pace. I don't think he lacks the humility or the intellect to do otherwise.

Blanco has raised his average all the way to 257.

If it's Zito at 5/60 or Schmidt at 3/33, I'll take Schmidt.

I think Marmol has the stuff and make-up to be an excellent closer.

Dutchvalue getting his work tonight.

I think he gave up on the Cubs for a while. Can't really blame him.

Has anyone seen Burnt around these parts lately? He's been noticeably absent from the forums.

Ozzie will hang on as long as he's winning. When things go south, and they will, he'll lose his job quickly, and probably will expedite the process by spewing profanities at whoever he deems responsible for his team's demise.

First of all, I doubt Hendry trades Jones. He signed him to that contract and Hendry likely sees Jones playing well enough to justify it. That being said, I'd do this deal in a heartbeat. It doesn't matter who plays right for the remainder of 2006 as we're not contending anyway. I'd let the Yankees have him. If I could get Jose Tabata or Eduardo Nunez, I'd do it.

Once again, I'll say it. If the Cubs decide that the Sox have made the best offer on a player they want to trade, they should make the deal, regardless of how it may affect thin-skinned, hypersensitive, and potentially unstable Cub fans who can't handle a little ribbing from Sox fans who live in their proximity.

Ozzie is the biggest tool in baseball.