you're missing the point No I understand the point that Christmas doesn't have to be religious but you are the missing the point that you don't have to celebrate Christmas. I have found memories from childhood and none of them involve Christmas. I know I had a good childhood and never resented or was upset that I didn't get to celebrate Christmas. The idea that Christmas is a must and any kid who doesn't celebrate it must be deprived is beyond idiotic. That's extreme ignorance of other traditions, religions and cultures. It's this type of thinking that leads to wars. You think people can't live without what you believe they need and eventually try to force it on people and they resist. Wake up realize there is more than one way to think about Christmas and that millions in this country alone grow up without it and turn out just fine. no, my original point was that my problem isn't that you don't celebrate Christmas, it's that you're saying that you're going to force a 3 year old to not believe in Santa. Let them believe what they want to. You're not even a parent and you already sound like the "my kid's will NOT read Harry Potter because there are witches in it" type of parent. i'll illustrate an example of what I mean. when my first daughter was born, my wife and I made a conscious decision to not make everything she wore pink, her nursery pink, etc. In other words, we weren't going to do the stereotypical gender color stuff. Now my daughter is almost 6, and she loves pink stuff, princesses, etc. We never said that she WOULDN'T ever wear pink, just that we weren't going to force it on her. you sound like the parent who will be saying "my child WON'T ________" a lot My kids won't believe in Santa Claus because I won't tell them the lie that he exists. Its not so much me not allowing them as them just not learning about him. I'm sure at some point they will ask me who he is because other kids are talking about it (or I might tell them at some point its not a decision one parent makes but both so I don't know). I won't tell them the lie I will tell them about St. Nick and how the legend came from that. I read Harry Potter (waited in line at midnight for the last two) and could very well read it to my kids. Also I too will not have my sons have blue and my daughters have pink. They will have all colors. My children will have a lot of freedom as I did. Kids don't learn from you telling them no they learn from doing it and see the bad effects. I will warn my kids about alcohol and drugs early on and throughout their life as my parents did but I will do as my father did with me. When I got old enough to start with that stuff he told me be careful, do what you think is right but know that if you get caught that's when all he liberties stop (actually told me home right after school and never go out except for sports). All I've tried to do in this thread is make people realize there is more than one way to raise kids and they don't have to grow up with Christmas to be functional adults. No one has acknowledged that fact yet. Be sure you explain all this to your future spouse before having children. And hopefully, she'll set your straight.