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The bolded is wrong because when I looked earlier, Tebow had the highes yards per attempt average in the nation. After looking it up and putting in today's stats, Tebow's is 9.86 and White's is 8.01. White also didn't even throw for 1500 yards this year - his single game max was 181 which he got twice - while Tebow went over 3000 and only had one game less than 200. Tebow accounted for nearly 4000 yards this year while White was around 2600. And if you're going to criticize Tebow and leave him off partly because his team is third in their division, you better do the same with McFadden because Arkansas is going to finish fourth in their division. You're right, for some reason I was looking at White's stats for last year in the yards per attempt category. If you average out the yards per attempt for White to include as many attempts as Tebow in passing and running you get roughly the same total yards. Then you get into that whole system/talent debate. Yea they play in the same offense but something has to be said for one qb taking that many more snaps than the other in the comparison. Tim Tebow's more valuable to his offense because he does not have Slaton, although Harvin's fabulous as a runner. He's not a 25 carry guy. Tebow does not run to pad the stats, he runs because he has to. There's a difference. Yea, but i counted 16 td runs by Tebow of 5 yards or less, many more within 10 yards. How much of that is padding the stats and how much is it having nobody else to get it in from inside the 5? I've heard other people on the board suggest this as well and couldn't there be a third option - how much of that is Tebow being the best option to punch it in from that distance. That doesn't necessarily have to mean that the other running backs are garbage but rather speaks about how good Tebow is. There's no question running Tebow is the best option Florida has in that scenario he's like 240 pounds and can run well. Having Graham Harrell throw the ball 55 times a game gives Texas Tech the best chance of scoring td's as well. Tebow's stats are just as much a product of system and circumstance as Harrell's yet nobody enters him in the Heisman discussion. Pat White shouldn't be penalized because his team has a better option than using their qb as a battering ram to get a touchdown from the 3 yard line.

The bolded is wrong because when I looked earlier, Tebow had the highes yards per attempt average in the nation. After looking it up and putting in today's stats, Tebow's is 9.86 and White's is 8.01. White also didn't even throw for 1500 yards this year - his single game max was 181 which he got twice - while Tebow went over 3000 and only had one game less than 200. Tebow accounted for nearly 4000 yards this year while White was around 2600. And if you're going to criticize Tebow and leave him off partly because his team is third in their division, you better do the same with McFadden because Arkansas is going to finish fourth in their division. You're right, for some reason I was looking at White's stats for last year in the yards per attempt category. If you average out the yards per attempt for White to include as many attempts as Tebow in passing and running you get roughly the same total yards. Then you get into that whole system/talent debate. Yea they play in the same offense but something has to be said for one qb taking that many more snaps than the other in the comparison. Tim Tebow's more valuable to his offense because he does not have Slaton, although Harvin's fabulous as a runner. He's not a 25 carry guy. Tebow does not run to pad the stats, he runs because he has to. There's a difference. Yea, but i counted 16 td runs by Tebow of 5 yards or less, many more within 10 yards. How much of that is padding the stats and how much is it having nobody else to get it in from inside the 5?

The bolded is wrong because when I looked earlier, Tebow had the highes yards per attempt average in the nation. After looking it up and putting in today's stats, Tebow's is 9.86 and White's is 8.01. White also didn't even throw for 1500 yards this year - his single game max was 181 which he got twice - while Tebow went over 3000 and only had one game less than 200. Tebow accounted for nearly 4000 yards this year while White was around 2600. And if you're going to criticize Tebow and leave him off partly because his team is third in their division, you better do the same with McFadden because Arkansas is going to finish fourth in their division. You're right, for some reason I was looking at White's stats for last year in the yards per attempt category. If you average out the yards per attempt for White to include as many attempts as Tebow in passing and running you get roughly the same total yards. Then you get into that whole system/talent debate. Yea they play in the same offense but something has to be said for one qb taking that many more snaps than the other in the comparison.

Oh please hold up in the second half......

Yea, I had visions of Pat Dillingham on that play. I think on two of those plays where he ate it and went out of bounds, they had a screen set up and their were lineman down field so he couldn't throw it away. At least that's what i hope happened because he had been very good at throwing the ball away before today. I can't wait to see what he does when he gets a line that will keep him healthy and give him time along with receivers who get open and learn to help him out when hes in trouble. Watching Robert Hughes run the past two weeks has been a beautiful thing. Ian Williams, Brian Smith, Darrin Walls, Dan Wenger, and Duval Kamara are other underclassmen who make me very happy.

Why Georgia? Not saying I completely disagree with you, but just curious as to why you think so. Why do you include Pat White yet not even mention Tim Tebow? They're the same type of player but Tebow's stats are better. I'm saying Georgia because 5 of their last 6 games have been against teams that are/were ranked at some point this season and none of those teams were within 10 points of them. Moreno and Brown are beasts and Stafford gets better every game he plays. I like them better right now than an LSU team who's been having major problems on defense, a WVU team in a much weaker conference, and tOSU with a laughable schedule. Mizzou is making a case right now though I hadn't seen them that much but they're very athletic. I have a bias against all things Urban Meyer but I'll try to make a fair case anyways. They don't even compare as runners. I think you have to throw out the majority of Tebow's rushing td's simply because they come from inside 8 yards out. I like to compare it to Texas Tech's qb's, you have to take that stat with a grain of salt. White had 34 less carries and over 200 more yards rushing than Tebow coming into today. White's long run was 64 yards whereas Tebow's was 25. While I don't think they compare as runners they are very similar as passers, the only difference is Tebow gets to do it alot more. Tebow has over 100 more attempts than White. They have the same throwing percentage and yards per attempt and White throws fewer interceptions. Also, Pat White has his team on the verge of the National Championship game while Florida is third in their division.

I hope the Illini make a BCS game. However, not sure I want IU to move up a bowl spot. Right now, it seems they'll head to Tempe for the Insight Bowl. I have a place to stay in Phoenix and it's pretty close to Vegas. Edit: You're going to need a crappy Pitt team to upset West Virginia. Hope it happens, but... I'll finish for ya.......but rooting for Dave Wannstedt to do something right in the game of football is an exercise in futility. Some thoughts before the game of the week: 1. The replay official in the Notre Dame game should be fired. 2. USC and Georgia are the two best teams in the nation. 3. The Heisman should be between Pat White, Darren McFadden, and the winning qb in tonight's game if he plays well. 4. Notre Dame will be back in the BCS in 2009 and Jimmy is going to be great.

It's sort of what you get when you fire a perfectly good coach and hire a psycho wife beater who had never been above a defensive line coach in his career. The good news is Art Kehoe becomes available to hopefully take the Notre Dame o-line job. Yep. Our AD and Chancellor are complete idiots and have never done anything right. One of their greatest crimes was letting a coach who was 44-29 overall and 25-23 in the SEC. Is this sarcasm? If it is, those numbers are better than anyone ever at Ole Miss besides Vaught so what exactly do you want?

It's sort of what you get when you fire a perfectly good coach and hire a psycho wife beater who had never been above a defensive line coach in his career. The good news is Art Kehoe becomes available to hopefully take the Notre Dame o-line job.

The t-shirts seem to be causing some controversy. http://www.kmbc.com/news/14600183/detail.html As an outsider I don't know who I want to win. I want Daniel to win the Heisman to keep it out of the hands of Tebow, but rooting for anything in Missouri just seems so dirty.

My guess would be...during this project. :wink: Looks like you are correct judging by the before and after pictures. I didn't know if it was done during the season and I just didn't realize it. I like the circle look better. I pointed out before in the thread that I thought I was the only person sick enough to notice this, but that's not all that's different. As is made obvious by the before and after pics now, the cutouts at 1B and 3B are different (smaller, more rounded), and the cutout down the first and third baselines are gone. Oh, and those old-school on deck circles are gone. Those weren't on-deck circles, they're places for the coaches to hit fungos down onto so they don't wear out the grass during infield practice. Kinda upset they took them out because it gives a more old-timey feel to fields in my opinion.

VMI puts up 84 in the first half on their way to 135 points tonight. They go 13-55 from the 3 point line. http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/boxscore?gid=200711140621

Looks like our right field problem shouldn't even be a problem in the first place.

Why is Beckett still pitching?

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that they had hired the White Sox groundskeeper to do the job (he previously did Fenway among others). I was under the assumption that he was going to work on the field this winter, but haven't heard anything since. That guy is supposedly the greatest thing to ever happen to grass. He even has a nickname "The Sodfather".

He was there in the dugout.

They have a 3-legged potato sack race on consecutive Sunday's to determine the winner.

Continuing to try to sacrifice with Jock in the 7th with nobody out. The Cubs haven't laid down a successful sacrifice since the Nixon administration and to think Jock could do it and to even want to do it against a pitcher like Guardado was a pretty poor decision.

Indianapolis, Portland, and Vegas would be terrific markets for MLB yet Miami still gets a team.

Notre Dame biggest underdogs in Weis era at +17. Even bigger than '05 USC. Clausen starting i'm taking the Irish and the 17.

Because most of his act is stolen and he's gotten rich and famous off of the creative works of someone else.

There's really a Minnesota State University? Who took over for Hayden Fox?

Yea, that's definitely true especially in a head to head league with a playoff the last four weeks. I guess my reasoning on Street had to do with the fact the A's usually play great baseball in the second half and reports had Street coming back alot earlier than he did. My lack of attention on the second part cost me the save category every week.

Why the **** is he not the closer in Oakland after coming off the d.l.? Is Beane trying to drive down his value, or "create" a closer in Embree like he's done many times in the past or is Geren just an idiot? It's making me pretty mad that i used my d.l. spot all year on a guy who isn't even given his job back.

Someone with a better memory can correct me if i'm wrong but i believe you had to be a resident of illinois, nw indiana, or se wisconsin. I also think you had to be there in person. I may be totally off, however and thinking about the Bears games last year.