Scott G. F.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/2010AP_BBO_World_Series_Changing_Diversity.html Says Astros have no bro's. Plays the race card willingly, with reakless abandon. Stupidity to ensure

It ain't over yet. The White Sox win the WS. I'm happy for them I go to bed. The Cubs win. I'd find it impossible to sleep. I call my father and family, equal sufferes like me. I'd walk around with a smile on my face knowing the team I've rooted for all of my life has finally earned the title champion. In 2003 after the Cubs lost a co-worker, (Bob D.) walked up to me, padded on the shoulder and then went to his desk, not uttering a word. people that day respected my cubbieness and knew that any swip would cut me right to the bone. They understood and showed respect. I give the same respect to the winner as well as the losers. I wouldn't call any other baseball fan and rub there nose in it. I don't follow that logic at all. I would call, like I did last year, the fans of the winning team and congradulate them, hoping one day I would recieve that phone call. I'll be waiting for my chance to celebrate. 2005 wasn't the year, it was someone else just like other the years of my life. But I have faith one day it will be our time. So whomever wins this year desereved it, either by blind luck or gods hand they deserved it. I'm fine with that. It is what it is. Who cares who it is!!

Didn't see the game, didn't care. But watching the highlights was awesome. To see a collaspe and not be emotionally affected by it, is truely something special. It almost makes the Bartman thing manageable. The Cards won the series with that hit. No doubt about it. That loss did the Astro's in just like it did the Cubs 2003. I could feel the WS tickets in my hand only to look down and see it disappear. It's a shock you can't get over quick enough to win the series. The Sleeping dog just woke up and it is the Cards.

Congrats to the South Side Brats. I'm happy someone in chicago is going to the World Series. Wish it was the Cubs but it the ugly unpopular little sister got there first. I watched last night, watched them win. Turned off the TV and went to bed. If it was the Cubs I'd a been wired all night. It's good to see basic baseball being played so well. It just brings to the forefront how basically bad the Cubs were the last 2 years. The sox pitchers looked awsome. I couldn't see Prior, Wood or Zambo doing that, Sorry Just couldn't. The Cubs, it seems to me, played 2003 scared. Waiting for something to happen. The White Sox ignore that type playing and roll past it like a steam roller. They have the momentum going in to the WS. I'd like to see them win. It's a good example to the Cubs organization of how to get it done!! I hope their watching.

Reading the threads about Willis and Clement. You have to make trades on the up and up and seek a win -win. It happened to work out better for Florida to a greater extent considering Clement is gone now. The Cubs could have used him last year. He would have given the Cubs 5 to 7 more game wins, if he got the run support that he didn't get the previous year. The thing is. The Cubs don't develop the player, key work develop. They just sign them and hope they learn the game somehow. I feel for Cory Patterson. I believe in a better organization he would have blossomed last year. It's to bad.

Yeah but when things didn't work out they moved on, and made the postseason mostly do to these guys. And these are the players that beat Clemens. It's just the fact that they can field a team completly of players from their system. Not many teams can do that... and have it be a playoff game winning team is just remarkable. They make it seem easy and make our favorite club look bumbling and incompetent. Especially our leadership!

That is truly amazing. I can't help wondering what that lineup would look like if Dusty Baker had managed Atlanta for the last 10 years. I think you guys are giving our homegrown talent too much credit. Who have we had that is on the same talent level as the ones listed above for the Braves? I think we've gotten our great minor league system shoved down our throats for so long that we just believed it. Shouldn't Kelton and Jackson be ready by now (I know about Jackson's injuries--- but you get my point)? And, I'm already down on Harvey. It says something when Murton, who's not a product of ours, is one of our best prospects already. Nicly said dalgreen. I forgot about Kelton and Jacskon. They already fell of the radar!

Pie is 20 years old. 20. Put 20 years old under a magnifying glass. 2 years out of high school for most. Sophomore's in college for others. Finishing up JUCO for others. Do you honestly expect Pie to be completely refined at 20 years old? We certainly don't have Atlanta's success. I sure wish we did. Bag on the weaknesses of our farm director's all you want, but please don't use Pie as the scapegoat for everything that is wrong. And why must we always compare Pie to Patterson? They aren't twins. They aren't even from the same country. Assuming every guy with little plate patience will just be another Corey Patterson is ridiculous. Some turn into Hall of Famers. When did I use Pie as a scapegoat? I simply mentioned him as an example of what this organization does wrong. Dispatch sentimentality for a moment and tell me how Pie's stats justifies the hype. He's a free swinger, like many of the people from his neck of the woods. They're taught from a young age to swing for the fences...basically to ignore plate discipline. We may yet luck out with one of these "talented" individuals eventually (Montanez, Pie, CPat, others), but it isn't likely. I'm not saying it won't happen some day, just that the odds of it happening are very low. Some of these talented individuals make it to the Hall of Fame? How many failed? What's the success rate? It isn't good. Do I expect Pie to be "refined" at his age? You don't learn plate discipline at this stage in the game. You can develop power, but you're not going to suddenly see the ball better. The orgainization's mantra is Don't clog the bases with runner Swing for the fences and see what happens OBP is overrated Allow your young prospect to fail at the big league and then trash them in the media as an uncoachable wank. I bet Pie can't wait to come to the big team. Our starting SS Neifi needs a towel boy.

What? Shawn Dunston. Jeromy Walton, and anyone trying to play 3b. Why can we find a Fat Albert Pooh Holes?

I'm not judging Pie. I have never seen him play and classicaly rookies, when given a chance, develop there batting after being in the majors after a while. The Cubs don't add rookies to the team and steady them for success. Baker expects them to fail where as Cox expects them to succeed. Baker is ready to pull the string on a rookie to quickly but when a veteran goes into a slump (aka Neifi) he's given the chance to work out of the slump to the determent of the team and deveolpment of the rookie player on the bench. If they sign Baker to an extention. Trade Pie and sign Damon. Because Pie will not be given a chance!

You bring up a valid point, but they (The Cubs orgainzation) don't seem to really develop the talent in to a "baseball" player. Thay just crack them on the pan like an egg and expect them to make themsleves in to an omlette. It doesn't happen. No wonder everyone is down on Cory Patterson. He does have the ability to be a 5 tooled baseball player, but he's being developed by coaches and mentors that know maybe one or two tools and are stunting his development. It's also a 2 way street. Cory needs to develop his ability by going to winter baseball and trying new things. I'd rather Cory went to winter ball and had a horrible time trying new things, then not going and staying the same next year. The Cubs orgainization needs to put the pressure on the players and coaches to work harder and develop quality. It's just not getting done and I blame the orgainzation and Jim Hendry. The laid back, "they know how to do there job" attitude is killing this orgainzation from the inside out! You can see the results on the field!

... piss you off by watching the wonderful, marvelous rookies doing so well? I couldn't help but to see Murton hitting the home run Brian McCann did yesterday. What the hell are the Cubs doing to the young in there system? Why are they retarding them? Beginning with Kerry Wood and ending with Cedano. Is it, that all the experts were wrong about the Cubs minor league system and over valued every player? Wood was suppost to be better then he has been, What happened to: Bobby Hill? Jason Dubois? Cory Patterson? Meat'tray? Choi? And the list seems to be getting longer. (Pie?) It just doesn't seem the Cubs organization knows what to do with raw talent. No development plan pre and post Dusty Baker This would be funny if I were wrong about this or being sarcastic but the sad truth is I'm not and NSBB is quite because there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it. We're stuck with great prospects rotting away in our lower systems, a manager that only likes to play veterans, a managers that doesn't develop young players, and a GM unwilling to trade the young prospects for anything! It seems their trying to play both sides against the middle and it's not working. Either trade the prospects for veterans or fire Dusty Baker for a manager that can develop talent. Watching the playoffs and seeing what winning teams do, makes what the Cubs did wrong even more obvious. I wish they would learn. The Cubs organization seems to believe that winning teams catch lighting in a bottle and their success is based on luck! The Braves, Red Sox, Yankees and Angeles are not in the playoffs year-in and year-out because their lucky.

IMHO any Chicago championship should be celebrated. The White Sox are the defacto underdogs. Look at the history of the White Sox, they are a much maligned team, with the Black Sox scandal and all. Plus, thay play the "second class of second city" crap all the time since the Cubs have a higher profile. I say go Sox over whomever in the World Series. If it's over the Cards it would be sweeter. But then again it would be like your sister beating up the bully at school. You'd be glad how things turned out but you'd be saying "it should have been me to do it". The Cubs team is coming along fine IMO. They'll be in good posistion to win. The way the Sox have gone about winning and keeping not to high and not to low might be the right approch. Cubs take note. I don't want the Cubs goal to be to get to the World Series. I want them to win it!

I swear thats true. Especially the transactions threads. The wild speculation in that thread suddenly becomes main stream.

Seeking a community after the Cubs 2003 season I found NSBB and a home. Though the 2004 and 2005 Cubs campaigns didn't turn out successful, the NSBB community continued to grow and provide me a greater insight on baseball and the Cubs organization minor league to majors. So to Tim and the Mod's I tip my hat and wish nothing but the best for 2006 and beyond. Knowing NSBB will only get better along with the Cubs. I can't wait till next year!!!

I saw that last night too, on accident. I had to watch the entire thing. It really puts the season in prespective and lifted my heavy heart about the 2005 Cubs. I hope they show that before next year and maybe to Cory Patterson before asking him if he'll play winterball! In a word, the program showed passion like I feel for the Cubs. It was fun to know that I still had that passion. Watch it if it comes on, better then Cats!

So 4.5 back by Thursday with 2 weeks left. I'll take that.

Bumped for relavance. Goal get to .500. Shut down Wood! Shut down Nomar!

Wrigley Field is The Beer Garden of Baseball. If they turned the seats around with your back to the field that's what you'd have. With the way the teams playing , you might even consider it.

Yes, certainly we have.

http://www.beervendors.com/ A site by the beer vendors of Wrigley. Each vendor has a picture and a write up including height, nickname, and year started. One started in 1963. wow! Classis, Classic site for any Cub fan to view and enjoy.

Yeah it's funny how easy the math becomes late in the season. I'm just hoping this team relaxes and plays good ball. Hoping other teams faulter now is a useless excerise that makes me lose sleep. I have accepted the 2005 Cubs fate and enjoy whatever the games bring to me. I just hope the Cubs have a winning season this year which will be the first time in my life time for that to happen. People get one Dusty but the Cubs could have the best seasons in 30 years under him as manager. The 2003 NLCL series really burnt up alot of Cubs fans. We all have to remember where the Cubs began and not be such clowns about booing and getting on players and coaches. Baby Steps. Next year we have Hendry tinker some more and try and fix the pen and give Murton a shot in Left. Bring up Guzman, set Wood right along with Prior and Zambo. Keep Maddux around because he is the real deal. Sign a SS or keep Nomar around. Cory Patterson will come around. Get a second baseman or resign T. Walker. See what FA's can help and will sign for the Cubs. Johnny Damon will be a Cubs by January. IMO

The Cubs get to .500 and then we'll talk. Not there yet though.

3 out of 4 from the Cards the Cubs Gain 2 games. So does everyone else. We win tonight we gain a single game on the 'stros. Positive steps for sure but it doesn't seem to be enough. Glad to see Colorado coming up. 4 wins out of 6 games since the 8 game L streak. I hope they keep it up and continue to play solid baseball. Starting pitching is the key now. I hope we can get some quality starts and gain some attitude and swagger.

Bottm line: wild card is a long shot and this thread is titled correctly. I just would like to see the Cubs play the game correctly. Hit guys over, play smart defense (Am Ram Ugh! Don't think!). The starting pitching has been giving some quality starts and the middle relief seems to be solidfiying with Wood coming in. The Top of the batting order is getting on and we're getting the game breaking hits we were lacking during the losing streaks. Just keep playing the game the correct way and good things will happen. Don't get to excited, not now there is to much in the way of the wild card right now and we need teams in the way to fall by the way side.