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That about sums it up....doesnt it? A grunt and a fart would also be appropriate...but other than that....I think Ronnie about said it all there.
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Wow. From 6 outs away from the world series...all the way down to this. Being a Cub fan is really really hard.
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Some observations from today's radio broadcast.....
Connor McConnor replied to Larry Horse's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
What does Ron Santo have to do with the Cubs winning? Of course I want the Cubs to win. I'd also like to be able to listen to a broadcast and find out how they won -- not listen to him read faxes from 87-year-old women and talk about a volleyball court in his dead buddy's backyard. If they won....they scored more runs than the other team. In this day of 24 hours sports channels.....internet....non-stop media.....there are plenty of ways to find out the details....if you are really interested. You were bashing Santo for being a representation of Cub fans...."silly..misinformed...rah rah"....my point was....MOST baseball fans are silly and rah rah. Baseball isnt that important....and people just want thier team to win. Santo is a fan...not an analyst...and he does not pretend to be. There are plenty of stuffed shirt broadcasters...around....and stats out the ying yang to keep you amused if thats what you are after. I like Ron....and I know he feels my pain. Pat is there to keep things going..and he will inform you of the details. I think Ron is harmless..and he adds to the enjoyment of listening to the game on radio....for me anyway. Obviously...some people dont feel this way. -
Some observations from today's radio broadcast.....
Connor McConnor replied to Larry Horse's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Ron Santo may be you in the booth, but he is NOT me. He's awful, and I can't stand listening to him. He isnt the best at analysing a game, but he is the most entertaining to listen to. I use to put WGN on mute (back when Chip was announcing) and listen to Santo call the game while watching it. I can see your point though if radio is your only means to watch it then you dont always know whats going on...but you gotta love his enthusiasm. I just think that Santo represents a lot of misconceptions about Cubs fans. He's very rah-rah and silly, he's pretty uninformed and doesn't seem to really pay attention to the game at points. That's the stereotypical view of Cubs fan and Ron just isn't helping us shed that image at all. He's been a nice story for the organization -- and I think he was a great player and is still a great guy -- but I just don't want to listen to him during broadcasts. I want better and think we deserve better. Oh he's like the vast majority of ALL baseball fans. He just wants his team to win. Really.....isnt that what we all want? At this point I dont care how they do it....or how "informed" anyone is or is not....I just want the Cubs to win.......for the love of God......just let the Cubs win.....for a change. -
Getting close...anyone know if expansion is almost completed? Pics?
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None for me. I stopped believing them 4 or 5 injuries ago.
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Good Miles article: Decline of African Americans in baseball
Connor McConnor replied to wade's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Indeed. If kids are not playing the game....they certainly are not watching it either. Although the article is talking about black players.....less kids in general are playing for the reasons that Baker mentioned. Also....baseball is a very difficult sport....especially for the younger ages.....the kids are afraid of getting hit by the ball....and its very demoralizing to fail in such a "personal" way....by striking out or dropping a ball. Its much less obvious in a team sport where things are moving along. Youth games tend to be incredibly boring....most kids walk or strikeout.....and fielding is usually poor. Its just hard to do when you are young. Add to that overzealous jock/dad/coaches who can be moronic.....and its not very appealing to a kid. More fun to play a video game, shoot hoops, or skateboard. Or do nothing. Baseball is going to have serious fanbase trouble in about 20 years. It still living off the golden ages of the 60-70s (us)...but when we are gone....they are not going to have enough fans to pay for the big salaries. Baseball is in going to be hurting big time. Maybe enough to kill it as a huge spectator sport. -
Wood having arthro leg surgery now
Connor McConnor replied to DiamondMind's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Next up. Prior. -
Nice pic Roast. I agree. Say what you will about Sammy. He loved being a baseball player. He was always entertaining. It was fun just to watch him warm-up. Hasta y Gracias Sammy!
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Would this be a normal breakdown for any team.....or is this unique to the Cubs? Either way....that's a VERY sobering little list.
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Excellent point. Fans are not supposed to know any better....but Hendry and his bunch get paid well to know legitmate talent when they see it. Patterson was going to be a superstar....5 tools....on and on......you never heard a "maybe" out of any Cubs people with regards to Corey. Choi, Hill, Patterson,......were going to be the future of this team. Not only are they NOT the future....they are barely major leaguers. Prior is the latest "can't miss".....and he's not exactly rock solid at this point. Will he be next? This team has proven that it cannot develop its own position players. It can't do it! Egads it's painful to be a Cub fan.
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World Series Appearances = ZERO Until that changes.....He won't be getting any credit from me. We've regresses since 2003.....he picks the players and the manager....he is supposed to know about these things....and it hasnt worked out. He ceraintly is not the first to fail at making the Cubs a winner......but he has not proven to be anything special either......just another in a long line of pain and mediocrity.
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The Cubs also sucked last year (and the year before that). We had five more wins than they did (with our much heralded pitching staff). Both teams finished 21! games out of first in their respective divisions. Our team needs shaking up just as much as thiers does.
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Prior will win at LEAST 2 Cy's in Baltimore. At least. Leave it to Hendry to make the rotation a strength, then make it a glaring weakness at the expense of a 30 year old shortstop on the downturn. Am I the only one that is curious what Prior would do with Leo Mazzone as his pitching coach. I will be interested to see what Baltimores young staff does with that guru teaching them the force. Prior needs a pitching coach like Mozart needed a music teacher. The idea that Pro players improve their performance by listening to "coaches" (retired ex-players...for the most part)....is WAY overrated.
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Exactly Badger. That's what X box is for. THanks for the "goal is to win" speech.....I did not realize. Far to often the Cubs have been the team with 0-1-2 runs. You have to be able to score some runs too. And what was I thinking? Enjoy a lineup of Lee, Ramirez, and Tejajda? How dare I. X-box? Ok..at least now I have an idea of the age group Im dealing with.
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I'd like to go back to what a Cards' fan pointed out earlier in the discussion. If Prior qualified with enough innings at this point, he would rank 6th among active pitchers in ERA. Sixth! How on earth is that not dominant enough for you? I think I saw many posts go by that said they wouldnt trade Prior for anyone.....certainly no other pitcher. My point was that he needs to be the pitching stud of the next decade to live up to expectations. I wouldnt pretend to be the stats guy that many around here are......but if he's sixth....that means there are at least 5 better. Right? I'm sure age and many other things need to be factored in.......but he has a lot to prove. From a lot of the sentiment around here you would think that he has proved it already. Is it that unreasonable to be somewhat skeptical as to whether or not he can live up to expectations? I'd say that his numbers in 2003 at age 22 proved what he can do. It proved what he could do at age 22 in 2003. If the 2003 Prior is whats in the future...you dont trade him for anyone. Of course none of us know....but I don't see how people can be so sure that his future greatness is inevitable. It is possible that his 2003 performance will not happen again. I think its fair to say that we all hope that we will get more than just one year or occasional glimpses of greatness? I wouldnt trade him for another pticher. THe only reason I'd even think about it...is because we need offense....and a lineup of Lee, Ramirez, Tejada.....is something I would really enjoying watching. Granted.....might be a mistake.....but that lineup would keep me in front of my TV many hours at a time.
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I'd like to go back to what a Cards' fan pointed out earlier in the discussion. If Prior qualified with enough innings at this point, he would rank 6th among active pitchers in ERA. Sixth! How on earth is that not dominant enough for you? I think I saw many posts go by that said they wouldnt trade Prior for anyone.....certainly no other pitcher. My point was that he needs to be the pitching stud of the next decade to live up to expectations. I wouldnt pretend to be the stats guy that many around here are......but if he's sixth....that means there are at least 5 better. Right? I'm sure age and many other things need to be factored in.......but he has a lot to prove. From a lot of the sentiment around here you would think that he has proved it already. Is it that unreasonable to be somewhat skeptical as to whether or not he can live up to expectations?
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Fair enough. Makes sense.
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Ok....forget the wins part. Although everyone will jump and down and point if he becomes a 20 game winner.......wins are not important if you get 10 of them....but they are if you get 20. My point is.....doesn't Prior have to be a totally dominating pitcher to live up to expectations at this point? Clemons, Johnson, Schilling, Ryan, etc....sort of dominant? Anything less will be a disappointment....and certainly not warrant the type of gnashing of teeth presented here in the last few days over the discussion of possibly trading him.
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I agree and think that all Prior needs to do is avoid injury to do that. If he makes 30+ starts, he should contend for the NL Cy Young, along with Zambrano. p.s.- I understand that staying healthy and getting run support are both big ifs for these fellas to compete for a Cy. Just curious.....what if he stays healthy and has an average season? Say 11-12 wins.....not spectacular. Then what? Is it because he still hasnt overcome injuries? Or...because of Dusty....or? I guess I'm asking if there would be a circumstance where Cub fans might come to the conclusion that he was not going to be the dominant pitcher we all hoped for? That maybe big league hitters can hit him?
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Always condenscending? Just curious. Please Mr. Moon...if I dont meet your bar of baseball knowledge feel free to ignore my posts.....
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maybe he's had injury problems, not all of them his fault, but he's hardly been inconsistent. that's a laugh. It's equally as laughable to just say...when he's been bad....it because of injuries. He was healthy for a lot of last year....and had some very rough outings. Your convinced Prior will be the Prior of 03 in the years to come....I'm not as sure as you are. One of us will be wrong. We shall see. prior last year: .227/.296/.394/.688 1.21 whip, 3.67 era, 188 SO in 167.2 innings. that was a "down" year. forget the fact that prior has just turned 25 years old for crying out loud. With an 11-7 record. Im not trying to argue he isn't great...or doesnt have tremendous "upside"....of course he does.....but there are some questions...and the trade is worth looking at. It's risky.....but huge reward moves in life are always risky. Thats just the way it is.
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maybe he's had injury problems, not all of them his fault, but he's hardly been inconsistent. that's a laugh. It's equally as laughable to just say...when he's been bad....it because of injuries. He was healthy for a lot of last year....and had some very rough outings. Your convinced Prior will be the Prior of 03 in the years to come....I'm not as sure as you are. One of us will be wrong. We shall see.
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Did I miss something? Have they been good the last couple of years? And Prior has been injured or very mediocre during this time period. What is is that we are so desperatly holding onto? a .500 team? There is a whole lot of mediocrity by your standards. Prior had the ERA+ of a number one starter last year, in his supposed down year. He led the world in K/9. He wasn't historically good like in 2003, but when he pitches he's very good, not "very mediocre". Certainly not the dominating superstar he's being held up to be around here. There were more than a few outings when he was walking people and getting hit hard. He's not always "very good" when he pitches. Again....it might NOT be the thing to do. But it warrants a hard look.
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What??? The Cubs wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs (let alone made it to the LCS) with out Prior and Wood. FAILED?? Oh my God. Maybe I missed it. Did we make it the Series that year? Im glad we made it to the playoffs...and almost made the Series. That was 2003...and he's been less than dominating since. Oh my God..quit acting as if he's Superman. You're right. They haven't won a World Series for the Cubs (or even gotten to one). They should be traded. Also, Ramirez didn't get the Cubs there either. See ya! Probably should have had the same philosophy for the following: Banks, Jenkins, Santo, Sandberg, Dawson, Grace, Sosa...I mean, these guys never won (or even appeared in) a World Series, right? Bums! We are getting a player back in the trade...right? A guy who has played most of 162 games for 5 years? MVP....dominating shortstop? All the names you mentioned.....great players.....so what? We havent won a world series in 100 stinking years! THey must not have been THAT great. Except, of course, to Cub fans. Instead of celebrating past champions we are forced to celebrate players who were great indicidually but never brought the Cubs a championship. Again...Im not saying the deal is the right thing...but to just dismiss it because Prior is obviously the second coming is just wrong. He has huge question marks......he's PROVEN that he has huge question marks......apparently your convinced he will be the Prior of 03 in the years to come. Thats a huge leap of faith..... THe deal is certainly worth considering....and may be worth doing. It's a risk...but high reward things always are. you aren't listening at all, while your logic is being shot to shreds. I am listening. Prior has been inconsistent and has not been a superstar up to this point. Thats the thrust of my "logic".......
