My problem is that because we are looking at "leaked" testimony, we don't really know what was said. No one is willing to go on the record and say I heard Barry say that. You don't know if the leaks are complete, taken out of context or anything. My point is, anybody who leaks secret grand jury testimony is not the type of person I would trust. It's not just a matter of trusting the reporters, it's trusting their anonymous sources. And their sources are either lying (because what they are leaking isn't really in the grand jury testimony) or criminals (for leaking sealed testimony). Barry's had over a year to refute that he admitted to using the "cream and the clear" during testimony, and has failed to do so. Couple that with him displaying virtually every known symptom of Roid abuse, there's little doubt in my mind. His lawyers tried to sue the writers of the "shadows" book because of illegally obtained grand jury testimony. Not for slander, not for printing lies, but for using illegally obtained testimony. Can he do any more to prove that the leaked testimony was in fact what he said other than coming forward and directly saying so in the press? It's a matter of principle to me. To attach any credibility to illegally obtained leaks of secret grand jury testimony is to encourage more leaks. And the higher the risk of leaks, the lower the probability that people testifying in a grand jury will speak openly and freely, not just about baseball and steroids (who cares), but about organized crime or political corruption, etc. I figure what little I can do to discredit leaks is supporting the grand jury process. I see your point, and agree with your opinion in part. However, the testimony has been leaked, and Bonds has all but publicly admitted that the reported testimony was in fact his. You can't undo it. You don't have to like it, but you can't simply ignore it and treat it with the same credibility as a story off of the back page of the national enquirer because you don't like how the facts were obtained. Right or wrong, Principle or not, the information is out there. In a civil court case, you don't have to prove something beyond a shadow of a doubt, only that there is sufficient evidence to reasonably believe someone did something. In my book, the court of public opinion should fall along the same guidelines as civil litigation. Someone who thinks it's ridiculous to suggest Nomar is on roids because of his injury history but thinks it's okay to perpetuate the line that Bonds is a cheater isn't hypocritical, and shouldn't be treated as such like badger was on the front page (not by you though). It is way more than reasonable to believe the leaked testimony is accurate based on Bonds reactions to it.