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Soto favorite to win NL ROY Award
17 Seconds replied to Sweet Swinging Billy's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
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Yeah, I agree. I wouldn't trade very much for Willits, and probably not Marquis, who is likely to be the best of the 3-headed monster that includes Lieber and Dempster. Not to mention tha Angels would certainly ask for more than Marquis in return for Willits. If we are trying so hard to dump this guy and his salary, why do people think other teams would be so willing to take on that salary AND give up a decent player (to have Marquis to pitch in the AL, no less)? I can't imagine us getting anything of value for Jason Marquis unless we eat a big chunk of his salary, in which case I'd rather just keep him.
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Haha..... What?!
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Why do you continue to call us "Soriano leading off lovers"? We're "lovers" of getting the best erformance out of our players. It has nothing to do with us liking Soriano as a leadoff hitters. It has to do with us not like Soriano as a middle of the order hitter. Anyways, his steal totals do nothing to make me change my opinion. He could steal zero bases next year and it wouldn't make me think twice about moving him down in the order. Stolen bases are highly overrated anyways.
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Roberts would bat leadoff. Stop trying to pass your guess of as fact. I'm pretty sure he would NOT bat leadoff, but you don't see me going around and passing it off as a fact.
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STOP TALKING ABOUT ROBERTS. A) He's not on this team and probably will never be. B) Even if ROberts was on this team, it's irrelevent. This is about getting the most out of Soriano, not getting the most out of a "position" that doesn't exist. "Hey, we just gave a guy a ridiculous 136 million dollar contract, what should we do with him?" "Hey I know, let's play him where he performs the worst!"
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See it varies so much. In 2002 he batted basically just first, but he had way better numbers with runners on than no one on. You cant say he cant hit in the 5 hole based on past at bats there, when it isnt a huge difference. And he has about the # of at bats in the 5 hole as 1 full year doing it (around 500). Players vary from year to year. He is a Major league hitter, he can bat anywhere. But when hes getting those big hits, it would be better if people were on base, which is more likely in the 5 hole. Why do you continue to ignore the fact that he is terrible with runners on and with risp? That's a pretty telling fact.
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Wait, at first you say this: And now all of a sudden you're citing a tiny amount of past at-bats in a feeble attempt to prove your point? So it's okay to completely ignore huge career sample sizes, but appropriate to only look at a tiny number of at-bats he had 1 season? Yeah, that make a whole lot of sense. Umm, completely erroneous. Why don't you check the numbers before you say things. I said that above cuz i just assumed he had horrible stats in the 5 hole compared to leadoff based on how confident you are that soriano cant hit in the 5 hole, and i didnt look at the stats. Then I looked at those stats and they didnt seem like a huge difference to me. Thats why i think its just coincidence. Thats why some players bat well one year and dont another. Umm, what? I have no idea what you just said. I do know that it's meaningless though, since you continue to ignore facts and basic logic, such as the fact that he hits terribly with runners on base.
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Huh? Soriano would have no protection batting 6th. Pitcher's won't even try to get him out, they'll just throw garbage pitches up there in hopes that he chases, while not actually worrying about walking him because of the weakness that follows him. You have to pitch to a guy that is up before the 2-3-4 spots. Pretty basic stuff.
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Umm, yeah, ONCE AGAIN, the numbers prove otherwise. You're seriously expecting those numbers out of Soto? Stop. Yeah, and maybe batting leadoff next season he's have a .390 obp. Maybe he'll stop striking out. Maybe Clemens will admit he used Steroids. Maybe Paris Hilton will solve cancer.
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Wait, at first you say this: And now all of a sudden you're citing a tiny amount of past at-bats in a feeble attempt to prove your point? So it's okay to completely ignore huge career sample sizes, but appropriate to only look at a tiny number of at-bats he had 1 season? Yeah, that make a whole lot of sense. Umm, completely erroneous. Why don't you check the numbers before you say things.
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First of all, I don't get what's so hard to understand about Soriano. He hits terribly with runners on, and especially with runners in scoring position. All of a his numbers, especially slugging, drop dramaticall in those situations. He's not a clutch hitter. This "his past stats batting 5th are a coincidence" garbage has to stop. Let's see, he struggles everytime guys are in risp. Where would he get most at-bats in those situations? The middle of the lineup. You don't have to look career at his statistics while batting down in the lineup to realize that he'd probably struggle there. It's really not at all hard to understand that. Really. And batting 5th? Good lord. That would be a nightmare and even worse than him battting 3rd of 4th. Who is going to protect him if he bats 5th. Soto? Soriano needs protection more than anyone on this team, and possibly more than anyone in baseball. Have you even watched Soriano play? If Soriano is batting 5th with no protection, get ready to see a lot of this: Breaking ball in the dirt (strike 1 swinging) Fastball 2 feet over his head (strike 2 swinging) Breaking ball in the dirt (strike 3 swinging) Pitcher's would never give Soriano anything to hit, and we all know that Soriano can't stop himself from swigning. It would be a total nightmare. Use your head.
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SORIANO IS MOST VALUABLE WHERE HE HITS THE BEST I find it amazing that you jokers continue to spoew this garbage about how "Soriano is more valuable lower in the order" yet you continue to ignore that fact that all the evidence shows otherwise. BECAUSE BELTRAN HAS SHOWN HE CAN PERFORM WHILE BATTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LINEUP Seriously, do you realize how stupid you sound? This is getting ridiculous. Stop comparing Beltran to Soriano just because they both hit home runs.
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SORIANO IS MOST VALUABLE WHERE HE HITS THE BEST I find it amazing that you jokers continue to spoew this garbage about how "Soriano is more valuable lower in the order" yet you continue to ignore that fact that all the evidence shows otherwise.
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Dude, stop and listen to me for a second. We know that Roberts is a better fit in the leadoff spot than Soriano. That's not the problem. THE PROBLEM IS SORIANO'S INABILITY TO PERFORM WHILE BATTING OUTSIDE OF THE LEADOFF SPOT. That has been pointed out to you over and over again, yet you continue to talk about Brian Roberts. It has nothing to do with Brian Roberts, it has to do with getting the best play out of Soriano. Just stop it, please. You're on over your head.
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TY Bruce! Any updates on what Jim's up to? Just what you've read this week: Seeing if they can get something done (or started) with Baltimore and looking for a little insurance in center field. Bruce, I remember a week or 2 ago you said that the odds of a Roberts trade getting done were "50-50 at best". It certainly sounds like the chances of anything happening with Baltimore has decreased quite a bit. Does it seem at all likely that something could get done?
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Please stop.
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He has an obp of .347 in 2006. That's not "recent"? Anyways, that's not the point. I don't care about Roberts when deiciding where to put Soriano. I also don't care about his declining speed. That's just another overemphasized point for you to argue. The most important thing is his bat, and where it performs the best. Just stop with this nonsense. You're not going to convince anybody that any of these garbage leadoff theories are more important than hitting.
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He has an obp of .347 in 2006. That's not "recent"? Anyways, that's not the point. I don't care about Roberts when deiciding where to put Soriano. I also don't care about his declining speed. That's just another overemphasized point for you to argue. The most important thing is his bat, and where it performs the best. Just stop with this nonsense. You're not going to convince anybody that any of these garbage leadoff theories are more important than hitting. Also, you still haven't explained to me why those characteristics of Roberts that you love so much can't also be utilied in the 2 hole.
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Oh and by the way, Roberts' career obp is only 10 points higher than Soriano's career OBP while batting leadoff.
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Oh god. Why do you always resort to "well, these guys said so" when trying to defend your statements? Oh, because you can't back up your claims on your own, that's why. Why don't you think for yourself instead of copping out? I could name drop plenty of guys that agree with me too, but I won't. You know why? Because I can think for myself. Anyways, most of those guys you named aren't exactly the most reputable baseball people. Using guys like Mike Murphy, Jim Sullivan, and Jim Hendry to help validate your argument? Yikes. That honestly hurts your argument. Seriously. So why can't Roberts just bat 2nd, where his speed and OBP will be utilized just as well? Oh, because "he's a leadoff hitter", that's why. We can't possibly bat him anywhere other than leadoff, for that would be blashpemy! The world would end! No, he's most valuable where he performs the best. I'm not under the impression that a cheap 100 rbi's is worth having him go .260/.315/.490 with an enormous amout on LOB. Not at all. What's funny is that if he's moved down, you'll be one of the people complaining about him when June rolls around and he's not performing, even though he'll have those RBI's you're so desperately seeking.
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And as we all know, those sources are never wrong, right? It didn't? He had the second highest ops of his career last season. I like how you try to pass your speculation off as fact. As someone else already mentioned, I'm pretty sure Roberts would bat second (even though I doubt he'll be playing for the Cubs this season). I love how you state that you don't have time to back up your statements, yet you have time to make post after post. How convenient.
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Not trying to defend him, but he is a serial killer. It's just who he is. Keep in mind i only attack people who deserve it.
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Wait, so you continously state an opinion, then when someone asks you to back it up, you "don't have time"? Forgive us for not taking you seriously.