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  1. 17 Seconds
    What am I dismissing? I'm not guessing what Pie's ceiling, I'm telling you that as of right now, Baldleli hasn't proven that he's the guy that Meph claims he definitely is. I never said that Baldelli can't be that guy or even that it's unreasonable to expect him to be that guy this season. I'm just saying that you can't say he is that guy right now, as if he's already reached and that and proven that he'll be that guy over the course of a full season.
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    how do you know he's that player when he's healthy? you're guessing. because the last time he was healthy he was that player and the two years before that when he was healthy he was on the path to becoming that player and was just 22. not to mention he was pretty much that player in limited action this year. he also has more raw talent than pie. his tools better pies across the board. you may want to call it a guess, but it's an educated guess that's more likely than PECOTA, DEXTERMORGAN or ZiPS. You mean in 2006 for like 350 at-bats? So that means he's that player now? You know perfectly well that 350 at-bats proves nothing other than the fact that you can go on anextended hot streak. Mike Fontenot OPSd over .900 in a similar sample size this year. you think baldelli is going to be that guy. fine, i'm not even arguing that. but to say he already is that player is kind of dumb when he clearly is not. nobody is denying that he has the potential to be. but as of right now, he's not. it's all speculation. isn't that what a ceiling is anyways? so basically you're saying that baleddli's ceiling is the same as pie's ceiling, but that baldelli is more likely to reach it. good job but you're meph, so you must be right
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    how do you know he's that player when he's healthy? you're guessing.
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    ridiculous. Not really... If Rocco could ever stay healthy (which is a longshot, obviously) he's probably a .290/.330/.490 player with plus defense and plus base running. That's Pie's ceiling. umm you just said he "already is" that player, which he clearly is not.
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    Supposedly they had a verbal or "gentlemen's" agreement with the Braves but Furcal and Kinzer backed out. nice
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    http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/17/1s17giles225117-woman-says-giles-abused-her/?padres hmmmm. i'd say there's about a 50/50 shot of this being true Edit: Oh snap....there's some video http://news.lalate.com/2008/12/17/cheri-olvera-video
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    he won't get that
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    Your friend must visit orioleshangout.com. Those are convinced Olney is wrong because a few days ago one of there "insiders" who claims the Orioles won't be outbid said a few days ago to expect some false media info in the next couple of days. As soon as the Olney article came out they were all "lol Buster...you're going to feel stupid when you found out you were lied to!".
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    Most people here agreed with Hendry for not giving up what the Padres were asking for.
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    Keep in mind that Churchill told me aobut a week ago that they were looking into Lowe. When I aske Bruce if it was true, he said "possible".
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    now espn is saying the dodgers are making a hard push http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3772806 this seems familiar this quote- makes it sound like furcal and his agent had a verbal agreement with the braves and backed out. good times
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    It's really not difficult to craft a reasonable response that's not "cmon, Joey Gathright?". Not everything needs to be black and white. i dont understand what you're saying i've researched defensive metrics with an open mind in the past and i simply don't buy the accuracy that many people here are acting as though they give. That doesn't mean you throw out the data point altogether. Even if you halve the defensive impact from each(and in most of the cases here we're talking about players on complete opposite ends of defensive ability(Gathright/Pie/Fukudome v. Dunn/Ibanez/Abreu)), then it's still worth pointing out that those defensive differences make them closer in value than Rotoworld might lead someone to believe. I agree with all that. I'm not saying they're worthless, I'm just saying that some people are going overboard When Colin essentially said he'd take Gathright at 10-15 million over Abreu at 800k I just couldn't read anymore
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    It's really not difficult to craft a reasonable response that's not "cmon, Joey Gathright?". Not everything needs to be black and white. i dont understand what you're saying i've researched defensive metrics with an open mind in the past and i simply don't buy the accuracy that many people here are acting as though they give.
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    necause run batted in by singles are worth more than runs batted in by home runs. duh
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    what's with all the threads breaking down defense lately? it's like the new nsbb craze. look i'm all about stats, but im sorry.. i think people are going wayyyy overboard with the defensive metrics. when people are arguing that joey gathright (joey gathright) is better than abreu/ibanez/hermida/dunn, etc.... it's probably time to step away from the computer.
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    Definitely not. He's the definition of untouchable for the O's. If Tampa called and said they would trade David Price straight up for him I am sure the O's would do it. I'm not sure they would
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    I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar. Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill. It's comments like these that lead me to believe that the Cubs prospects stand at best half the chance of other team's prospects to succeed. If they don't immediately perform they're "garbage" and people want to chase them away. Nowhere did I say he was garbage. you compared him to bobby hill and bobby hill was garbage No I didn't. then what is this?
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    I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar. Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill. It's comments like these that lead me to believe that the Cubs prospects stand at best half the chance of other team's prospects to succeed. If they don't immediately perform they're "garbage" and people want to chase them away. Nowhere did I say he was garbage. you compared him to bobby hill and bobby hill was garbage
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    so 5 of 13 people who have voted so far are basically liars
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    Even if Jeremy Hermida wasn't totally mediocre at baseball and it would be a good idea for the Cubs to acquire him, would they really need to overpay with Josh Vitters? wait, so hermida is mediocre now because he had a bad year last season? He's fine. He's not as good as many people around here seem to think he is. why, because he hasn't put up huge numbers just yet? he put up really nice numbers in 2007. when a top prospect/guy that's hyped as much as him produces that way that easly it's a pretty good sign. he could easily put up huge numbers next season and nobody would be surprised. that's why people like him. to call him "mediocre" is kind of silly. he was bad last year, yes, but that doesn't mean he's a bad player. he's young and played through injuries last year.
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    I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar. I'd say Hermida has just as good a chance as being a perennial allstar as Vitters does, maybe a better chance. The only difference is position and the fact that Hermida is closer
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    Even if Jeremy Hermida wasn't totally mediocre at baseball and it would be a good idea for the Cubs to acquire him, would they really need to overpay with Josh Vitters? wait, so hermida is mediocre now because he had a bad year last season?
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    100% no. and if they did, it wouldnt be to us
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    You cannot possibly mean this. No way. I spelled out exactly how much I thought Abreu and Gathright were worth in another post in this thread. If you disagree with any of the particulars, feel free to state that and we can have a discussion. But I absolutely can mean that. Except you didn't really spell out anything. You mostly used cliches and opinions to try and prove your point. Let's at least see some hard evidence and metrics. I dont like defensive metrics at all, but at least try. I don't care how good your defense is. If you have like a .600 OPS, you're not good
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