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Actually now that I look at it Morneau isn't really much better than Dunn. He was better than him in 2006 and 2008. Dunn has blown him away in every other year.

While we're on the subject, could you please tell me who you think was a better player in 2008? Adam Dunn or Justin Morneau? I'm not just talking about how important they were for their respective teams. I want to know in a vacuum, who played better last year, Dunn or Morneau? Dunn had 40 HRs, 100 RBI, 79 R and posted a .236/.386/.513 line Morneau had 23 HRs, 129 RBI, 97 R, and posted a .300/.374/.499 line Please, just tell me who was better and what your justification was? I would love to hear what any of you guys think here and really want to understand your side of it. I don't care that Morneau isn't in the Cubs plans, I simply want to know which you think was better offensively last year. Morneau, and I never said he wasn't. My point is that him being better has absolutely nothing to do with RBIs. Nothing. What makes him better? He's just a better hitter. Lots of stats show this. None of them are RBIs. You really need to stop with this RBI stuff.

Your logic here makes no sense. Dunn has provne year after year that he's going to put up about the same, solid, numbers. What difference does it make how he gets them? The only way your "contact produces bloops and errors" argument hold water is if you're saying that Dunn's strikeout will eliminate that and he won't be as productive. This is irrelevant becuase Dunn has provne year after year after year that he's going to put up the same numbers. The fact that he doesn't make contact and doesn't benefit from putting the ball in play on a consisten basis always shows in his stats, which are still good. We've established that he doesn't need that to be productive. Do you really not understand what I'm saying? You're acting as though a .300/.400/.500 line that is a result of bloops and soft hits is better than a .300/.400/.500 that isn't. Your theory is only useful for projecting how a guy might do, not when evaluating an established hitter. I'm sorry, but when you say something like this you can't expect to not lose credilbity and have people take you seriously. As for the RBI argument. Come on. Not only are RBIs an awful way to judge a player, but you're not even being fair about it. It's already been shown that Dunn has had significantly fewer RBI chances due to lineup differences and the fact that Dunn always has much fewer at-bats from walking so much. Morneau gets his RBIs from base hits... Dunn gets his from home runs. That may not look all pretty to you, but ultimately they are the same thing. The main problem with people who hate Dunn is that they form their opinions based on selective memory and the fact that Dunn looks bad by striking out a lot.

While we're on the subject, could you please tell me who you think was a better player in 2008? Adam Dunn or Justin Morneau? I'm not just talking about how important they were for their respective teams. I want to know in a vacuum, who played better last year, Dunn or Morneau? Dunn had 40 HRs, 100 RBI, 79 R and posted a .236/.386/.513 line Morneau had 23 HRs, 129 RBI, 97 R, and posted a .300/.374/.499 line Please, just tell me who was better and what your justification was? I would love to hear what any of you guys think here and really want to understand your side of it. I don't care that Morneau isn't in the Cubs plans, I simply want to know which you think was better offensively last year. Morneau, and I never said he wasn't. My point is that him being better has absolutely nothing to do with RBIs. Nothing.

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Also, a full year for Longoria and Carlos Pena had a significant drop off from the previous year. i think it's highly unlikely that pena ever has a season like 2007 again

theriot must be an elite offensive player since home runs aren't production scarey is cracking me up right now. home runs aren't production, but rbis are. epic

How do you know? Just because you aren't hearng rumors doesn't mean he's not getting a lot of interest. Again, why are you acting like you know this? You have no idea what is going on. But a flyout gives you a chance of extending the inning? I don't get that. Are you talking about guys getting bloop hits and finding holes because they make contact? That might be useful in determining how good a player might ened up being, but Dunn has established that he'll put up his numbers despite the strikeouts. If you're talking about the potential for errors by putting the ball in play... the amount of times over a full season that happens is very small and is only a very marginal difference. The truth is that strikeouts aren't nearly as big of a deal as some people make them out to be, as long as you've established that you'll put up numbers in spite of them, which Dunn has proven. I think people too often still associate strikeouts with guys like Soriano who have no discipline and just swing at everything. The truth is that strikeouts occur with most power hitters, and especially with guys that walk a lot. You take more pitches and you're bound to strikeout more. Look at Aramis. He walks skyrocketed this year....and so did his strikeouts. Strikeouts don't mean you're an impatient hitter. One more thing... it sounds like you think people like Dunn for his on base skills alone. It's like you're leaving out the fact that he hits 40 bombs every year in a low amount of at-bats. Really in it's simplest form, hitting is about 2 things. Getting on base (avoiding outs), and when you do get on base... how many bases you get. Dunn is good at both of those.

point is moot because he doesn't love the game

I don't care what your situation is, I don't think you shouldn't be paying 180-200 million for Mark Teixiera

Wow. Just, wow. What the hell is this? So because they both strike out and hit home runs that means they're the same? Give me a break. Soriano swings at everything. Dunn swings at strikes. There is a huge difference. To imply that they are the same player offensively is pretty ignorant. Pitchers would have their way with him? I assume you're saying they would throw him junk and he'd hack at everything and get himself out like Soriano. That is simply not true, seeing as how he is a walk machine. Dunn strikes out because he swings hard, he doesn't strike out because he swings at junk. What a weak comparison. Incorrect, and that's already been proven false. Ha. Yeah, just keep talking about numbers that actually prove that he's a good hitter. "Yeah guy, just keep talking about Pujols' average, his slugging, his ability to put the ball in play, his patience, his ability to cure cancer. Blah blah blah. I know what I see with my eyes, and that guy is a bum" Either that or people here tend to choose the option of proof/logic instead of selective memory. As if you couldn't make yourself look any worse, you end your post with this Ricciardi gem. Seriously, did you just say that? What evidence do you have, other than what some loud,mputh GM said? By the way, did you know that a few days later Ricciardi admitted that he was just pissed at the callers and that he hadn't really heard anything about Dunn not loving the game? I guess not. So not only are you bringing up an irrelevant point, but it's completely inaccurate as well. Good job. You make a full post full of outdated and inaccurate assumptions and hyperbole, then you go and prove how little you know about a player by saying something like that. The bottom line is that if you don't want a guy because he has a poor average w/RISP, then you need to open your mind a little bit and actually learn about what is valuable.

if you guys think the roberts/peavy ordeals were bad on here, you should check out OH. they've been obsessing over teixeira for like 2 years waiting for this offseason. they're all going crazy. they've got "insiders" being all secretive, roy firestone stirring the pot, people getting texts from freidns saying they saw mark teixeira at the ravens game, etc. it's pretty entertaining. if tex signs somewhere else the first thing i'm going to do is check out OH

i doubt he gets 3 or 4 guaranteed years i think i can guess what hendry/lou's logic is with wanting bradley. just a couple weeks ago Lou talked about wanting to find a way to get Fontenot more playing time. i think they're okay with bradley missing time because that just means they can give fontenot playing time and move derosa to right. i'm not saying i agree with this, i'm just saying i bet that's what they're thinking

if we punch that into the same computer that told meph khalil greene is an .850 OPS guy, he should be good for about a 1.450 and really handsome

Not that it means a lot, but if I'm doing the math right, Bill James has Bradley as about a .287/.390/.488 guy next season

Yes, please get the deal dunn. So we can have the worst outfield defense in recent memory. Other soriano's throwing arm what makes him a acceptable RF? Remember when the Red Sox won the World Series with Manny in left and Trot in right?

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I can't believe Nolasco isn't talked about more on this board. He wasn't just good last year... he was excellent. His post ASB numbers are especially insane. He had a .99 WHIP and 98/12 BB/K after the break

holy hell that was filthy

That's pretty bad logic. I hate when people say "who cares about giving him a big contract, it's not our money!" We want the team to win. The team has a certain amount of money they can spend to do that. Every time they spend money that's less they can spend on other players. p.s. leadoff hitter still isn't a position

2 reasons i question the validity of that 1) why would the brewers want to help us get peavy? 2) why would they want marquis?

you dont think bradley is a better option than abreu or fukudome? I think signing Bradley would amount to paying extra money to have Reed Johnson or Fukudome play right field for 60-70 games. So yeah, I'd prefer either of those options. It wouldn't be Reed or Fuku. It would essentially be putting Fontenot in the lineup with DeRosa just sliding to right. Just a couple weeks ago Lou was talking about finding Fontenot more playing time.

If Soriano had the same amount of PAs in 2008 as he did in 2006, his numbers project to about 42 home runs and 62 walks. just sayin'

You already said most of that stuff in your first post. Plus I already explained why an .820 OPS is unrealistic.