how do you know he's that player when he's healthy? you're guessing. because the last time he was healthy he was that player and the two years before that when he was healthy he was on the path to becoming that player and was just 22. not to mention he was pretty much that player in limited action this year. he also has more raw talent than pie. his tools better pies across the board. you may want to call it a guess, but it's an educated guess that's more likely than PECOTA, DEXTERMORGAN or ZiPS. You mean in 2006 for like 350 at-bats? So that means he's that player now? You know perfectly well that 350 at-bats proves nothing other than the fact that you can go on anextended hot streak. Mike Fontenot OPSd over .900 in a similar sample size this year. you think baldelli is going to be that guy. fine, i'm not even arguing that. but to say he already is that player is kind of dumb when he clearly is not. nobody is denying that he has the potential to be. but as of right now, he's not. it's all speculation. isn't that what a ceiling is anyways? so basically you're saying that baleddli's ceiling is the same as pie's ceiling, but that baldelli is more likely to reach it. good job but you're meph, so you must be right