I didn't want Lower that much, but I would have much rather have had him at 4/60 than Dempster at 4/53. Actually, I'd rather have saved the money and not had Dempster than just trhrow it away on him. Seriously, you're saying that it's better to give out a horrible contract than it is to not give one out at all. You really don't see a problem with that? What about when we're in need of a starter one offseason and Carlos Silva is the only guy avilable. Is it okay to give him 4/40? Hey, anything is better than what we have... right? Here are Dempster's FIP numbers for the last four years: 3.38, 3.79, 4.54, 3.41. Here are Lowe's: 4.16, 3.68, 3.97, 3.26. Lowe's 4 years older than Dempster. So remind me again why you'd be cool with giving Lowe more money than Dempster, but think Dempster got a "horrible contract". One guy was a reliever and the other was a starter, first of all before 09....how many good years did lowe have as a starter. how many did dempster have? Pointing out that Dempster has been used as a closer and then following it up by asking how many good years he's had as a starter? That's your counterpoint? Really? How exactly was Dempster supposed to be good as a starter when he was busy being good as a reliever? umm, no....that's my point. the 2 go together. you gave numbers that compared the 2. it's silly to compare the 2 when they had completely different roles. lowe has has several good seasons as a starting pitcher. dempster has had one (maybe 2 if you consider that year with the marlins to be "good"). the point is that dempster is not proven as a starter like lowe is. lowe didn't get paid for one year like dempster did.