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Good now Lou can't bat him leadoff against RHP anymore.

That's about all he's worth when you consider the 8 mil option next season. I don't know if I'd even take him for free.

Agreed. He's really not that great.

I don't know, but I find it reeeallllyy hard to believe it would be close to 200. Seriously, we're talking about the difference between a crappy hitter and an elite hitter. If defense was worth that much, teams would just be stacking their team with cheap, light hitting, defensive players. Also if Morgan is that valuable, why does nobody here want him? If he's worth that much defensively, then we could have just put him in center and moved the Johnson/Fukudome platoon to right.

It shouldn't matter. You are either getting a good deal or a bad deal. What the fans know before or after a trade is made should have no bearing on whether the deal gets done or not. It's absolutely ridiculous. And if you really don't like it, do what others have suggested and keep the talks more private. Is it NSBB or GRB's fault that you had 75 some odd people in the war room listening to trade talks and now you don't know who leaked the info? I think not. But, if you really want to come off looking like an absolute idiot, be sure to let the whole world know that you canceled the deal for the sole reason that everyone already knew about it beforehand, and not because it wasn't going to help the team. :thumbsup: C'mon now. You're too bright to think that's what really happened. Like TT said, it's way more likely the deal didn't get done because Towers was asking for the sun and the moon, and finally Hendry told him to stick it. I agree. This seems more like Towers running his mouth and trying to take the heat off the fact that he passed on a good package while he had the chance, and now Peavy is injured and untradeable until the offseason... at least.

Good. I'm glad it ended up falling through.

God you're a troll. So after a couple good weeks from Soriano, the guy starts a thread made to throw it back in the faces of people who thought Soriano was fine batting leadoff the past couple years, and I'm the troll? Nice. I'm not even saying I think he should be moved back. I'm fine with him batting in the middle right now. I just thought it was pretty obnoxious to act like we were all idiots for thinking he was fine batting leadoff and to try and throw it back in our faces, like something had been proven.

Huh? Raving Lunacy? Care to explain that? I guess I'm a lunatic for not buying into a stat that had Willie Harris being worth 15 million last season. Or not buying into Morgan being more valuable than Dunn this year even though Dunn has like 200+ OPS points on him By the way.. you know the girl in your sig is 17, right? If you're older than like 20, you're a creepshow

Yes, that has been proven by the last couple of weeks. Absolutely. No small sample size here. The fact is Kosukes doing fine at leadoff. Sorianos doing great at the 6 spot. More importantly, were winning, and as long as it stays that way, lets not disturb the formula. I never said we should change it. And how many times as Kosuke actually hit leadoff in the last week? Seems like johnsons has done it more often and has been horrible while there.

This quote is from today's USA Today article on trade rumors:

Que? So far he's had 3 starts. They go as follows: 5 innings pitched - 1 ER - Credited with a LOSS 5 innings pitched - 2 ER - Credited with a WIN 6 innings pitched - 1 ER - Credited with a WIN Granted - as others have alluded to he has walked quite a few guys (11 over the 3 games, which isn't bad, except he had five in each of the first two games). However, he hasn't allowed a home run yet as a starter and he's been able to pitch out of most of the jams he's gotten himself into. Like I said before, he hasn't been stellar - but to say he's been terrible is quite an overstatement, IMO. Why are you only looking at IP/ER (ERA) and not the stats that actually show how effective he's been? 5 IP- 9 baserunners, 5 BB, 3 K 5 IP- 10 baserunners, 5 BB, 1 K 6 IP- His good start Like I said, he's had one good start. In his other 2 starts he was terrible, he just didn't give up many runs because a ton of guys were left on base. That's luck. As a reliever, he was even worse. On the season he has a 1.52 WHIP On the season he has 16 BB and only 9 K's (wow) Outside of that one start, he has been terrible. Edit: BTW, in what world is 11 walks in 16 innings "not bad"?

mercy

He had just walked the bases loaded, there was a force at home, etc. etc. Does anybody have the percentage of times an attempted suicide squeeze actually works? I'd like to compare that to the average percentage of success an MLB hitter has at scoring a runner from 3rd with less than 2 outs. I bet the latter has a bigger percentage. It just feels like you're taking the game out of the hitter's control. If he throws a ball way out of the zone, there's nothing you can do. You have to rely on the pitcher to throw a strike. In the situation he's in, you shouldn't have to be rely on the other team doing something. You rely on your hitter to do his job (hit the ball out of the infield and on the infield in a good spot) and the game is over, period. There's nothing they can do. Also, STOP [expletive] DOING THE HIT & RUN. This is twice now he's put on the hit and run with Soriano at the plate and Bradley at first with a full count. I'm trying to think of a worse hit and run combo on the Cubs than Bradley at first and Soriano at the plate and I can't really find one. Seriously, how many times do you think a Cubs batter has struck out on ball 4 this year because he was trying to protect the plate too muchon a hit & run? Sorry, but a panicky manager like Lou is not the correct fit for this organization.

I'm trying to find Soriano's name somewhere in this post and I can't do it. I'm so confused right now.

Yes, that has been proven by the last couple of weeks. Absolutely. No small sample size here.

Why am I not surprised that WSR formed an opinion based on like 3 innings of work from Fox? Not to mention he didn't look good at all back there. How many pitcher did he drop? Like 3 or 4 at least.

What an awful, awful manager

He had one good start. Overall he's been terrible

i feel bad for him. he finally put it together and was lights out at the end of 06, had a great 2007, and then when it looks like he finally figured it out and is going to have a nice career, it all falls apart. don't forget this is his career. he's losing a lot of money every time he gets wrecked.

Good thing I didn't do that, huh? In fact I expressly noted that two of the three teams ahead of the Cubs are the mega-spenders (BOS and NYY), while the similar-spenders (LAD, NYM, PHI, CHW) have been as successful or worse. So why do you include a list of all 30 MLB teams, even though the majority of them don't have nearly the same amount of money to spend as the Cubs do? And you did it again when you said this Those teams all have significantly lower payrolls, yet you just compared Hendry's work to their work without even mentioning the payroll differences. Perhaps I overestimated the board's ability to take payroll considerations into account without me having to spell them out more thorougly than I have. Or, maybe just yours. Haha. I'll go back to my original statement. Comparing the success of 2 different teams who have completely different payroll situations is pointless, yet you did it. You compared hendry to Minnesota (among others) when you simply can't compare the success of the 2 when they are in completely different situations. I've seen you do this many times with hendry. You constantly dismiss the payroll advantages he has and try to compare him to better GMs with much more limited resources and then say things like "all that matters is that he wins with what he says...it doesn't matter how he does it". Umm, well, yeah.... it does matter how he does it. A GM with more money to spend than most franchises is held to a different standard, whether you like it or not. It would be foolish to not hold him to a higher standard. Compare Hendry to teams with similar payrolls, and that's it. Don't try to ocmpare him to teams like Minnesota. You can't do that. It's like giving one person 10 grand to buy a car and another person 50 grand, then congratulating the second person for coming home with a BMW while the other comes home with a Saturn.

at this point i couldn't care less about the hall of fame. it's all so arbitrary. pay attention to who is good and who is not and judge for yourself who the best players are.

I'd be iffy on getting any pitcher post-Dusty. plus harang was terrible after if he got dustified around midseason last year and has been crap again this season

why? they could just trade laroche... and even if they can't, it's still a huge upgrade and laroche didn't cost that much

lol 2 year contract

Good thing I didn't do that, huh? In fact I expressly noted that two of the three teams ahead of the Cubs are the mega-spenders (BOS and NYY), while the similar-spenders (LAD, NYM, PHI, CHW) have been as successful or worse. So why do you include a list of all 30 MLB teams, even though the majority of them don't have nearly the same amount of money to spend as the Cubs do? And you did it again when you said this Those teams all have significantly lower payrolls, yet you just compared Hendry's work to their work without even mentioning the payroll differences.