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Hmm, same as last time.

I just don't think it's gonna happen. And I'm OK with that. I like Garza, but not for the price he's gonna command.

/Don't agree with most of the Campbell commentary.

I've been outta town last couple days and forgot to post but... There were the 4 most annoying Packer fan fat sows behind me at the game last Sunday. They squealed at every stupid 2 yard gain and made sure you heard every word they said for 3 hours. Also dressed in those ridiculous stripped pants/bibs. Let's just say the owner of those seats is gonna get a lot of [expletive] next time he shows up.

12) Candelario 13) G. Amaya 14) Torreyes

He's not a "butcher" but here's the problem with trading for Soriano. Whoever acquires him, even if only paying $5MM/year, is still going to get the brunt of the blame when Soriano messes up. People remember bad things much more than good, so the first few times he bobbles a ball/can't pick it up, doesn't hustle, drops a ball or has a mental error the fans are gonna be all over the GM for acquiring him. They would be much better off to wait until the deadline IMO and be able to play it off as a needed acquisition.

10) J. Candelario 11) P. Johnson 12) G. Amaya

Steve Clevenger went 11-91 after the ASB last year.

Color me wrong about Illinois @ Gonzaga. Brandon Paul has obviously revamped his game. Much better ball handing, shooting & aggressiveness.

My favorite CBB bettor on today's UI/Zags game: Question: How will Illinois compete with the Zag’s front-court? (@Thekillabeejc) Gonzaga’s defense on the interior is exceptional, and all of their bigs can step out and defend the perimeter which is the key here. This is really a night-mare match-up for Illinois, and probably one of their toughest games in terms of match-ups and scheme they’ll see all year, and I think that’s saying a lot considering they play in a loaded B-10. You’re going to get the same story with Illinois offensively – they’ll shoot more three’s than two’s, and probably a good chance that holds true here. Just not sure this is the best spot for them to fall traveling west. This technically isn’t their first true road game on the season as they did play at Hawaii earlier in the year, but I’m treating it is their first as they had a decent size following to the Islands. Tough game for the Illini, here. They’ve beaten Gonzaga each of the last two seasons but the wins are a bit misleading. Zaga’s Sacre was in foul trouble in last year’s meeting which forced Few to move to a zone defense to defend Leonard in the paint and they still couldn’t stop him. Two years ago, Illinois shot better than 50% from the three-point line. Double revenge, and a much better interior presence that can defend the perimeter are the keys here. I’m staying away though. Gonzaga’s strength (interior defense) doesn’t get put to work here.

2 of you in this thread are insufferable 95% of the time.

Pretty good report on Gonzaga students. Got from Illinois basketball Twitter. http://www.krem.com/sports/GU-students-race-across-campus-to-get-best-camping-spots-182454251.html?ref=next

You're all saying things I already know. The point is neither one is a good fielder. Viciedo has the potential to bring value to this team, that's all I'm saying.

Vogelbach's value is in the form of his bat, not at all defensively. He will likely contribute to the Cubs via trade unless Rizzo regresses. I realize this -- same with Viciedo.

Was he a guy who only started playing at Age 15 or so?

Oh, and I'm not saying Viciedo would be a 3B. He'd be a corner OF.

I just think he's going to improve offensively. We all have tons of Vogelbach love, it's not like he's going to be any better in the field. If he hits 40+ HR it's less of a factor, but I think Viciedo will hit 30-35.

I'm not saying he will, but who else on the roster could? A lot of guys are big goofs at age 19. Not that they are exactly the same, but a guy like Robert Archibald got a lot better over 4 years, I'm not even sure he played much his first 2.

Why wouldn't we want Viciedo? He's about to be a 24 year old, power hitting OF. Sign me up for a yes.

Yuck

5) Vogelbach 6) Candelario 7) BJax

Oh and I wouldn't read too much into Gonzaga's close game at WSU, it was clearly a look ahead game to Illinois for them.

I'd love to be wrong, but I just think Gonzaga is going to be able to outscore UI. Foul problems could become trouble for Abrams/Egwu in a tough environment too. I list them because they're backups suck and UI needs them. egwu is the one that sucks He's a big man who's not even halfway through his sophomore year, he's got a lot of time. He needs to get to the foul line more and be more physical rebounding, but he's certainly taking a back seat to a Senior class playing very well right now (Griffey, Paul, Richardson...even McLaurin a bit maybe). Other than Paul he's still the only player on the team that has a shot at the NBA. Big guys take longer to develop, you know this. He will be fine.

Yes, but we already know that Lendy's kind of bad, so why not give his spot to Chafee? Unless we do make a few win now moves, I'd prefer give a spot to the 24 year old unknown commodity than the serviceable 36 year old. Wait, who is the serviceable 36 year old, Grilli?

I'd love to be wrong, but I just think Gonzaga is going to be able to outscore UI. Foul problems could become trouble for Abrams/Egwu in a tough environment too. I list them because they're backups suck and UI needs them.