What more does Dempster have to do to establish himself as a closer? He just went almost a full season only blowing 2 out of 35 save opportunities, and in the two blown saves, he got the win! If his name were Ryan Gagne, would you consider him more established? Just having a little fun with you, snood. I'm guessing you'd like to see him do it for more than just one season, and I can understand that. But, for me, I've seen enough. In my mind, he's established. Where we do agree is on the need for an established set-up man. I don't want to go into '06 with Novoa pitching the 8th. With BJ Ryan available, I have no problem solidifying the bullpen even more by signing him (though given how much Dempster will make, that would tie up too much money in the pen). It's not what Dempster has or has not done, it's how to improve the team. BJ closing and Dempster setting up could be a better investment than Dempster closing and someone else being brought in to set up.