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Yea that OL was still bad that year, but it had Marshall at WR. Rookie Alshon and Forte was a good back. Granted Jeffery and Marshall weren't typical Martz WR, but Tice certainly wasn't the answer at OC.

Yea that run was just such a wasted opportunity. That 2012 offense being wasted on a Mike Tice offense is probably the biggest missed opportunity. By 2013 with Trestman the offense exploded but the Ds run was over (certainly accelerated by firing Lovie and then trying to make Tucker still run his D lol)

Can upgrade Scales? Hes our only player to get an All Pro vote! :lol:

Want back at multi year (price contingent) - David Montgomery - DeAndre Houston Carson Want Back at one year near-min/tender - Darrynton Evans - Josh Blackwell - Patrick Scales - Blasingame Indifferent (one year unguaranteed deal only) - Breon Borders - Dieter Eiselen - Andrew Brown - Morrow - Blackson - Lee - Pennel - Harry - Cruikshank - Adams - Armon Watts - Trevon Wesco - Joe Thomas Can leave: - Pettis - Pringle - Reiff - Dozier - Griffin Fire into sun: - Sam Mustipher - Peterman - Boyle - Schofield

I'm guessing neither. He'll be good to go in like 3 months, and should have no long-term issues. The Cowboys signed Gallup for 5/57M last offseason and he actually had a torn ACL. While that's maybe a slight discount, they SHOULD cut Elliot and re-sign Pollard for whatever it takes. Zeke has a 16M cap hit next year and they save 11M if they cut him. I could still see Jerry valuing Zeke at 11M. But that will be a super interesting decision to watch that could have some really interesting ripple effects on the RB market.

uhh isn't the top of this draft supposed to be really heavy on defensive talent My impression is there is a lot of quality depth at the top of the draft on the DL, with Anderson and Carter leading the way, but I'm not as sure how Anderson and Carter stack up compared to recent guys like Bosa and Chase Young. WrigleyField22 mentioned neither of them stack up to Myles Garrett, and I think that's accurate, although you can make a really good argument Garrett's the best DL prospect to come out in the last decade. There are some concerns with Anderson's size and speed, which might limit his usefulness when he's not rushing the passer, and Carter has some questions about his technique and health. The Combine will help tell the tale, and I think the Bears' D would improve measurably with either, but I don't think the Bears *have* to walk away from this draft with either guy. Yea, Andersons size has been brought up a lot. But then I also saw someone say his listed height/weight is the same as Khalil Mack's at Buffalo and I went down the dubious "scouting off still photos" rabbit hole and kind of left wondering if he's actually too small. Of course it's a trap to focus on a single below average trait and compare it to one great player. BUT, definitely deserves some careful question of what his lack of size hasn't let him do and what specifically it harms. If you can point to elite traits he has that he uses, the less elite traits becomes less important because they're just not relevant to their game. And that comp player was still a top 5 pick, not a nobody who surprised everyone. That RAS guy had a long tweet thread recently talking about WR speed and I'm sure you can apply some of these points to DE athletic traits too (Good thread, but a little rambling) For reference once his testing numbers come combine time. https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=11400&p2=9654&pos=

No That doesn’t mean it’s not a good pick or a successful draft, but when you have #1 and don’t need a qb but do need a ton of other stuff, you need to do something more than draft defense at the top and wait until pick 56 to grab an offensive player. Yep, even an underwhelming package of picks is better than sticking at 1 to me. The Bears will never have anything more valuable that they actually want to give up than the #1 pick. It's like finding a Van Gogh painting in your basement and not getting what you want from an art buyer and just hanging it in your house. Yea, I mean, if they took the exact same package for 1-4 that the Colts got from New York to go 3-6, it would still have about 200 excess points on the Jimmy Johnson chart (Jets realllllly overpaid for Darnold lol). So you could take a little less than 2 current year high seconds and a future second and still justify it straight up on the JJ chart to go 1-4 with Colts. And while people have dreamed up extracting a ransom from Houston, a Trubisky like package to move one slot would still give them 3 extra top 100ish swings.

No That doesn’t mean it’s not a good pick or a successful draft, but when you have #1 and don’t need a qb but do need a ton of other stuff, you need to do something more than draft defense at the top and wait until pick 56 to grab an offensive player. I mean they're lucky it's a decent QB draft and not 2022 or 2013. I don't know if this is off base either, but I also feel like Anderson or Carter aren't a Myles Garret type prospect where staying pat would be more appealing.

That’s the MO Says dumb horsefeathers, get outrage clicks I wish people would realize this more. There are many people out there in the media whose sole purpose is to generate outrage Emmanuel Acho.

What kind of psyops can they run? I'm kidding about the pysop part lol

Just based on these factors: 1. Rumors that Levis is the Colts guy 2. Uneasiness that Houston could actually prefer Anderson and wait for QB next year or trade from 12 Then Levis gaining steam as clear #1 would be good and hopefully force Ballard into moving heaven and earth to get his guy. If there's a wide range of opinions and Houston is somehow not perceived as a threat to Colts, it kills the Bears best trade partner. But this is also where the Bears need to employ a team of pysops to run interference on other teams until they're so jittery they trade up a haul from pure paranoia. Get on it Poles.

For very dumb reasons, I'm cheering for SF to make the SB.

Not just the name. Look at the kid. He's definitely a secret prince who will win victory and the princess on a epic quest.

That draft was insane. 5 QBs drafted in the first round, 3 of them being historic busts (Couch at 1, Akili Smith at 3, McNown at 12), 1 being a solid pro (Culpepper at 11) and one being HOF caliber (McNabb at 2). McNown was a complete disaster but I'd argue that Smith was an even bigger bust and worse pro QB. And Bengals turned down a very similar package to the one Washington eventually accepted from Mike Ditka, trading his whole draft AND the 2000 1+3 for Ricky Williams. Of course then Washington used that extra capital to move back up to 7 in the aformentioned Bears trade. If there was ever a real life Draft Day movie, that was probably the one.

I was also down a draft rabbit hole last night and reminded myself of the time the Bears traded from 7 to 12. Not only to watch a HOF get picked at 7, but to watch a divisional rival pick a much better QB at 11, while they settled for Cade McNown. Trading down: not always what it's cracked up to be.

I mean if there was a consensus prospect on the level of Lawrence we probably would be having a real trade Fields conversation. But if we presume something a little less generational, but still consensus, like a Stafford? I think I'd rather have a clear consensus #1. Without benefit of hindsight is this the 2018-lite draft class? That one didn't have a clear consensus #1. Had a couple of college studs (two former Heisman winners), but valuations were all over the place on guys. 5 ended up in the first round with 4 in the first 10, and 4 of the 5 involved trades. Of course the first pick wasn't traded being it was the QB needy Browns. Or even 2017 with three non-consensus QBs, and all 3 were traded up for. Soo you don't need consensus to get lots of trade activity, but do you need it to drive trade activity all the way up to 1? Edit maybe it's like 2016-heavy which also lacked a clear consensus, but was shallower with only 2 FR QBs but both were traded up 1-2. Did lack of supply help there? Is 3 (maybe 4?) too much supply? The biggest factor is the Texans being at #2, and the Bears being obvious sellers. I think the Bears clearly selling in general lowers the value of the #1 pick. It should still be a decent haul though, because it's still the #1 pick. Maybe more if there is a consensus, but I think that would actually mean fewer candidates because the cost would be more prohibitive. Its pretty crazy that the number 1 has only moved twice* since 2002. Obviously it's just often worked out that QB needy teams were at one, so it's a unique circumstance. Chart of the value generated. *this chart doesn't show the Manning-Rivers trade. While it was not made until after the picks were made, seems like it would be worth while to include.

I mean if there was a consensus prospect on the level of Lawrence we probably would be having a real trade Fields conversation. But if we presume something a little less generational, but still consensus, like a Stafford? I think I'd rather have a clear consensus #1. Without benefit of hindsight is this the 2018-lite draft class? That one didn't have a clear consensus #1. Had a couple of college studs (two former Heisman winners), but valuations were all over the place on guys. 5 ended up in the first round with 4 in the first 10, and 4 of the 5 involved trades. Of course the first pick wasn't traded being it was the QB needy Browns. Or even 2017 with three non-consensus QBs, and all 3 were traded up for. Soo you don't need consensus to get lots of trade activity, but do you need it to drive trade activity all the way up to 1? Edit maybe it's like 2016-heavy which also lacked a clear consensus, but was shallower with only 2 FR QBs but both were traded up 1-2. Did lack of supply help there? Is 3 (maybe 4?) too much supply?

I'm starting to have too much fun with the PFF mocks. I burned out last year in mid April and that was without the Bears having a first. I'm gonna burn out before FA even begins this year. Had some real spicy ones last night. One was where I trade down to 4 and still got Anderson and then Addison at 35. The other I traded all the way down to 16, but got 47, 98 and all of Washington's 1st, 2md, and 3rd rounders in 2024 and 2025. Then got Mike's Murphy at 16 as JSN at 47. You had random set up pretty high, then. I've been obsessed with their mock, too. Nah, I went back to default because when I played with sliders I wasn't getting trade offers. Interestingly those were my first 2, then the good deal and big player drops slowed down. It would actually be pretty smart if the mock was designed to give a favorable result or two before normalizing. Get people on a high early so they keep playing (assuming they have some way to monetize your clicks?)

I'm starting to have too much fun with the PFF mocks. I burned out last year in mid April and that was without the Bears having a first. I'm gonna burn out before FA even begins this year. Had some real spicy ones last night. One was where I trade down to 4 and still got Anderson and then Addison at 35. The other I traded all the way down to 16, but got 47, 98 and all of Washington's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders in 2024 and 2025. Then got Miles Murphy at 16 as JSN at 47.

On the flat-top note, that I think is a reasonable propane grill trade off as well. If you had a charcoal/kamodo and a flat top propane, you really don't need the justification of the propane grill. But I expect my Weber to last basically forever so I'll probably never justify not having it. But if it did die on me one day, I could see a setup without it.

I got rid of my charcoal once I got my pellet smoker because I really didn't want to dedicate backyard/deck space to all 3. Covers the flavor angle, but I can't do the charcoal sear. If I have a large yard one day I'll have all the cooking toys Charcoal Pellet smoker Propane grill Flat top grill Camp stove Missing any? Edit- oh I also have my portable pizza oven (pellet) but you could add a built in wood pizza oven to the wish list too I just got a 22" Blackstone and my spring project is going to be building a table I can drop the kamado into and have the Blackstone on the other end to have a sweet setup. What do you want the camp stove for? I can get my kamado up to around 550F and it does a great job on pizzas. Camp stove for 1. Fish fry/fish boil 2. Any sort of basic side dish cooking that I would otherwise do on the indoor burners (I hate the side burners on propane grills and got mine without it, but I guess you can argue a upgraded Weber could provide similar utility without an extra tool) So yea, just for extremely excessive reasons, haha. They also make camp stoves with a flat top attachment that can basically let you combo the two, which would be a more reasonable combo. As for pizzas, yea other grill methods are good, but my portable Ooni one can get to 900+ and do 90 second Neopolitan style pizzas. It's my goal to use that a lot more this year in the spring and summer.

I got rid of my charcoal once I got my pellet smoker because I really didn't want to dedicate backyard/deck space to all 3. Covers the flavor angle, but I can't do the charcoal sear. If I have a large yard one day I'll have all the cooking toys Charcoal Pellet smoker Propane grill Flat top grill Camp stove Missing any? Edit- oh I also have my portable pizza oven (pellet) but you could add a built in wood pizza oven to the wish list too

Those are some nice looking nachos.

Okay apparently I misspoke, but most people enjoy cooking on a propane grill and you can't beat the longevity and quality of a Weber among propane grills (at least for a non-built in grills)

I'm sure Justin makes a mean grilled portabella too