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Actually the 6th example also started out 0-5 too, it's just that the coach (McAdoo) was canned much later (2-10) whereas the other 5 examples were canned by that 5th loss. The other thing is it often isn't planned around byes and such, even though we all naturally look at those opportunities. In the McAdoo example, they had a bye going into 1-6 followed by a home game off the bye. Obvious opportunity. But they held onto him until week 13, which was exactly one week AFTER a mini-bye. so they just transitioned on a normal week, instead of a week earlier on a 10 day break, lol. Coincidentally said mini-bye was off of a Thursday night matchup against : Washington.

Well again, 5 of the 6 where the GM did ultimately follow the HC out the door were really poor starts, of the 0-5 variety (roughly). So a Flus firing could still be accompanied by a Poles firing and be "normal". But perhaps be a last ditch effort by someone to change the direction. But more to the fact where many got very impatient with Nagy/Trestman. They actually started out middling not 0-fer. And then they faded hard, but by that point the GM seat was also red hot and yea, suddenly the benefits of getting an extended look at players in.s new setting or a interim coach is entirely moot because the GM making those evals isn't in the door. The whole thing can burn down... once you're likely to being in a new GM, it's all gonna get tuned over anyways.

Oh and then there's also John Fox: So you could make argument he fits criteria. But I think it's also important to look at what is gained. 1) getting a different look at your roster. Given both of Fox's coordinators had control I don't know if this would be a big factor. Pace wasn't gonna get a new look at his O or D. 2) getting a look at a interim coach. Now maybe you can argue Fangio here should have gotten look, but I think Pace always knew he was gonna go O anyways. And we can probably guess he had an inkling he may want to keep Fangio on and an interim tag could burn that opportunity. And as it is, that's exactly what happened. Also wasn't like Fox lost locker room or got off to a a slow start, two common criteria.

Well raw guessed it in Twitter so I'll share. Most in-season firings happen with a GM in place who is in his role into at least the next year. It's almost never done with a GM in place who's also about to lose his job. So Nagy and Trestman aren't unusual by that criteria. 26*/37 were fired with a GM who was in place through the next season (*technically Whaley in Buffalo only made it through 2017 draft, but in counting that as he was there to hire next coach). 5 the Coaches were the De facto GM and often someone in house was ready to be GM (like Kelly-Roseman in Philly) So just 6 were fired with a GM who also was replaced by the end of the year. And 5 of those 6 were 1-6 or worse (avg 0.4-4.6 record). Nagy/Trestman also didn't have those types of starts. Ditka firing also coincided with GM change Of the firings where the GM wasn't also being shown door: Lovie was obviously in a playoff hunt until last game before being fired. Jauron you can argue maybe should have been fired as he had the classic slow start. But ironically, he turned it around and kept team competetive, finishing with 7-9 record. Then Wanny really there isn't much justification. Bad record. Poor start. Don't remember if locker room was a horsefeathers show or not. But FO definitely was a horsefeathers show as that ended up being Mike McCaskey's final ride as Pres before horsefeathers up McGinnis hiring and being pushed aside. Then everything else before that was Halas and he was the coach himself for like 60% of those seasons. Why he never wanted to fire mid year when he wasn't the coach? Probably because he was cheap. Or maybe he respected the role too much. Either way, not sure that is still a factor today.

That's not very fun.

Did a deep dive into the 37 mid-year coach firings since 2000. And there's a really (kind of intuitive) but rarely talked about reason that at least partially explains why the Bears probably haven't had a mid-year coach firing in recent history. Of course most of the first 63 years of the franchise, Halas was simply not firing himself mid-year. But recent history at least theres 1 seemingly strong indicator (besides the obvious W-L) Accepting guesses.

Bahahahaha, classic "sorry you're breaking up on me, I sssccccchhhhh"

I was just happy there was at least one non idiot arguing the counterpoint correctly.

This reminds me of an argument I heard on the radio during one of the big power balls and they were arguing whether or not something like 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 was a bad powerball play or not.

Tbf would be a whole heck of a lot of work. Maybe a good opportunity for trial runs to test out the rigging systems though

JT doesn't have doom porn this week but he's still releasing a Justin Fields feature film I missed the first 3 quarters Sunday and haven't yet been able to replay. May just watch this instead lol

The "they've never done it" argument is overrated IMO. Plus, think there's a good chance Warren is a differentiator here. Maybe Phillips just never wanted to (I'm sure George could be convinced to do whatever). A stinker Thursday could do it. But by the point that they can start interviewing (week 16?) I don't see why it can't happen by then.

Pretty surprised in all honestly. I hope it's "real" and them not just some bogus attempt at job saving.

I'd put Russ/Broncos ahead of that grouping Yea, I mean the Vegas / ESPN power index odds put it at something like 45%. So the actual Vegas/Analytic odds do probably put a 3-7% odds to run off 3 straight. But basically all of that built in is a major change to the way they've been playing.

It's perfectly... Get-offense-on-track-able. I don't think the D can make enough stops or get other offenses off the field.

I mean I'm sure Janocko can do a short week install without making massive changes, and then use mini bye to actually tweak things. But I bet if changes happen they let TNF air out due to the calendar benefits

I don't think Johnson will be as explosive as Herbert. He does have a real trait. It's just not a trait worth trying to capitalize on anymore if the Bears are 0-7 and facing a regime blow up. Draft a day 3 Khalil Herbert every year and hope 25-33% of them hit.

If things continue to go real south, Herbert has to be at top of list for a trade dump before deadline.

So Bedard is pretty good huh

He seemed pretty happy in the post game interview. Anyways I'm not pining for DM. It sucks they never had a good team around him, but he's still at a position that ages quick and he certainly isn't the difference in futility for Bears or not. And Roschon looking like a legit replacement helps. Herbert - think he's never gonna be more than a complementary back.

Finally finding the median fan insanity point somewhere between a divisional round appearance and a SB loss. Stopping after this one, my research is complete lol

Rofl, update on my Twitter polls. 62% of the fanbase is apparently just gonna dig in and root against the 2023 Bears. Not sure I even try poll 4 to get it under 50%

Anything I've seen is conjecture. The biggest piece of evidence is that Eberflus was scheduled for a second interview before Bears had their first intervuew with Poles. However Flus also had a second interview and was thought to be a finalist in Jacksonville, who weren't waiting on a GM search. So it's a pretty reasonable explanation that they were just getting ahead on a favorable candidate since they needed to get through GM process. McCaskey was up front that their preference was to hire GM first, but he didn't rule out the other way. Some conspiracy to cover up Flus being hired first seems wholly unnecessary to me, but 🤷. Poles was hired first. Flus' second interview happened with Poles. Poles talked to I think 3 other guys. That's a lot of unnecessary work to go through if Flus was already the guy. I think it's people seeing what they want to (and they want to bitch about Ted/George) The other simpler explanation is that the alignment of coach to GM was a major plus for them and perhaps an influence, but not some mandate. Bottom line is whether Poles has to hang his hat on the hire or not, and I think he does. They found the GM who liked the coach they liked is about the worst simple explanation. But then it's still Poles coach.

Josh Lucas burning all his old insider info in desperate attempt to get a media gig I guess

Yea, Bears fans wanting him alone is a sure sign that it's a bad thing. We have the worst track record of all time pining for random backup QBs.