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On one hand I get it, but on the other hand, counting on the draft to support Fields wouldn't have been smart. Welcome to 3-4 weeks in the past.

No but Bears fans demanded a rebuild and a stark change from Pace without realizing what that might mean. Overinvesting in defense while ignoring the offensive line isn't a "stark change." It's the exact same thing. Oversimplification, but also, the stark difference was actually pointless surface level stuff mostly, so the point still plays.

No but Bears fans demanded a rebuild and a stark change from Pace without realizing what that might mean. You’re right I did not think a rebuild included sabotaging last years 1st round QB I mean literally this was always a risk. It wasn't his guy.

No but Bears fans demanded a rebuild and a stark change from Pace without realizing what that might mean.

Not gonna lie I'm enjoying Bears Twitter imploding. I already been through the stages of grief and tried to tell anyone who would listen lol.

I can dig it.

So who's your top 7 heading into tomorrow? My hot take top 7 (not necessarily in order) George Pickens Bernhard Raimann Logan Hall Dylan Parham Skyy Moore Jalen Pitre Roger McCreary But I'm not sure I'm so confident in the difference between 4-7 and what would probably be there like 10 slots later. Sooo trade down?

Ultimately some good players will fall at other positions so I'm good. And I'm gonna laugh laugh laugh at the people who didn't believe on spending in FA and just knew they could precisely fill every need with picks 39, 48, and 71.

Its not a terrible bet. 3T is the only affirmative thing Poles has really shown was a priority.

Missd the tic tac toe tweet. I mean, we all assumed Zach wasn't super bright already right? :lol: it IS the ultimate competitor story - it's win, or nothing. draws are losses. don't you get it? Ah I didn't interpret that way.

Missd the tic tac toe tweet. I mean, we all assumed Zach wasn't super bright already right? :lol:

This is an overreaction.

Think that's too much to ask. Bears are the ones trading up here. Hard to get an extra pick out of that scenario. If they wanted an extra pick at that point, they'd probably have to trade down from 71, though a 4th would be hard to come by unless it's a trade down probably to the 90s. Yea I'd love to tack on 121 and some trade charts would support that. So theres always some back and forth, but being the team trading up probably hurts leverage in that case. But if your the Bears you're doing it because the guy at 30 is rated much higher and above your comparable players in whatever groups make up your next 9 options. I just have basically no interest in walking out of the weekend without 6 picks. Saw somewhere the Bears already have the least amount of 90 man guys. So they're already primed to be active in UDFA and the post draft FA market. Oh on the note, the comp pick dreams for 2023 officially die for the Bears on Monday. The new rules have clearly made it much easier for teams and players to wait out the market for comp pick planning reasons.

I will keep pounding the table that the only trade up idea that makes sense is to use 39+48 to get into the late first and stay still in the late 2nd. Depending on exact trade value chart, 30+62 for 39+48 is a good framework to start from. Just really want them to not dip back below 6 total pucks, so gotta stay pick nuetral at least. I'd probably be OK with this type of move. Ironically, there may be some ability to pull this exact move off as Ryan Poles' old team, has both of those picks. They also have pick 29 from the Tyreke Hill trade. That also could provide incentive for the Bears to move up, as 1) the Chiefs could potentially take WR5 or WR6 off the board and 2) would get the Bears ahead of the Lions at 32 and 34 who may take a WR at either pick. And in a time where WR money is become a huge issue around the league, the Bears could really see the upside to getting a 5th year option on a WR, which could delay big money issues for an additional year. And if the Bears are hellbent on getting WR and OL help, this may be a good idea as the WR(s) they like most could be gone by 39. And unless a 1st round talented OL falls, the difference between the options at 39-48 (Tyler Smith, maybe Bernhard Raimann) aren't that much better than the guys that could be on the board at 60 (Cole Strange, Dylan Parham, Ed Ingram) and the guys in the latter group were college guards unless Smith or Raimann who would either change to a position they haven't played or move someone else (Borom/Jenkins) to guard. Exactly right. 30+62 certainly wasn't accidental given all those circumstances that make it make tons of sense.

I will keep pounding the table that the only trade up idea that makes sense is to use 39+48 to get into the late first and stay still in the late 2nd. Depending on exact trade value chart, 30+62 for 39+48 is a good framework to start from. Just really want them to not dip back below 6 total pucks, so gotta stay pick nuetral at least.

I don't see a dynasty forming, but this is probably the best path for now. In NBA flexibility is key. As long as they can be an attractive destination, you just gotta just be ready to pounce.

I like this idea. Jusuf Nurkic is a free agent. Sign and trade for Vuc with spare parts moving around? Not sure who else is out there that could replace Vuc’s rebounding and provide an upgrade defensively. Also wouldn’t mind Drummond in a backup role, but I’d be hesitant relying on him as the primary big. He's one of the few that wouldn't be a rebound downgrade. Younger. Doesn't have a 3 pt game. Not really a D upgrade right?

One of the hard things about trading vooch, IMO, is its basically gonna be impossible to find a better individual rebounder who really upgrades the D too. He is nearly a top 10 rebound rate guy and top 8 in total rebounds per game. They're already a very weak rebounding team. How do you take away a top 10 individual rebounder and improve your total team rebounding rate? They played small without Williams most of the year, but he isn't a huge presence there either. If you're pretty locked into a wing core of DeRozon, Lavine, Ball, Caruso, and plan to depart with Vooch, I feel like PWill needs to be on table to upgrade that one PF/C spot as much as possible.

Over the Cap released their trade chart in a interactive tool that includes positional adjustment and I've been geeking out today. Draft day is too far away still.

At least he's getting all the reps this offseason.

Thing is, if they moved on from Pace/Nagy after 2020, Poles or whoever the new GM would have been, probably doesn't trade up for Fields last year. All new GMs are big on talking "build thru the draft". I don't see anyone coming in and making a bold move like giving up a future pick for Fields. That's basically tying your tenure as a GM to Fields. And if he fails, you're looking at 3 years on the job at most. I mean why do anything? there are risks involved!! I don't think raw is defending non action in that case. But yes football men are among the most needlessly conservative bunch of decision makers in the world. But yea, they do get risk being fired in 3 years from their billionaire fantasy football owners so its self preservation sometimes too (their billionaire owners also being needlessly conservative)

BTW can we update this title since "Pace/Nagy" FIRED ain't exactly breaking news anymore.

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I'm pretty near absolutely opposed to any trade where they gotta turn right back around for some massive extension. And I'm by no means cap cautious (quite the contrary), but they do really gotta start hitting and developing draft picks. Anyways I bet 49ers will priorize a AFC team if they can. KC makes too much sense.

Son, if you can’t drink 8 beers in 154 minutes that’s on you. Coulda had 10 beers but only had time for 8.